nbohr1more on 15/10/2020 at 13:29
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Trump wasn't targeted. Period. I wish you conspiratorial bunch would quit riding this ignorant little childish fantasy.
We've gone through three investigations for this now. Each time, we were told to wait for the momentous occasion that would expose the Obama administration for the traitorous, Constitution-hating bastards that they are. What did they lead to? Nothing. Maybe a couple of breaches of protocol. Some sloppy paperwork, possibly a wrongly filled out FISA warrant or two, but nothing more. Not even the grand unmasking, hyped for so long, and recently concluded, lead to any criminal charges.
There is no story here. No dastardly deed. It's just something for sad fucks to hang on to so they can feel special, and "in the know."
But hell, you know what, nbohr? Maybe the fact that the Great Truth has yet to be unveiled is PROOF that the Deep State has something to hide, and are doing everything in their power to keep it hidden. I mean, how do we know that these investigators weren't hired by Hillary? We don't, but it's best to assume the worst, right? That ole Soros is one sneaky Jew-Nazi, with many fingers in many pies! Maybe we should keep investigating until we have the right people in all the right places to give us the answers we know are out there, the answers we want to hear, all so we can the faithful, the sheeple, the easily lead that "WE KNEW IT! WE TOLD YOU ALL ALONG!"
...grow the fuck up.
No dastardly deeds?!?!
They LIED on a warrant application and accepted a phony dossier as a predicate for an investigation "knowing it was phony".
So we are apologists for smearing whistle-blowers (Julian Assange being tortured to death before extradition).
We are apologists for the surveillance state FISA and the NSA.
And now it is perfectly OK to
fabricate evidence against a suspect?
And the reason this is all "OK" is that "nobody has been prosecuted for it and the news media who helped them do it explained that none of it was really serious"?
Starker on 15/10/2020 at 15:26
Quote Posted by heywood
It's like all those Lincoln project ads. Some of them are really good, but if you have to seek them out on YouTube, they're not going to reach any audience who can be swayed. It seems kind of pointless to produce that kind of product if you don't have the money to get it into push ads on TV and streaming sites.
Indeed, and that's why they are not just putting them out on social media, but after they gather statistics on how they perform and how different groups respond to them, they play them for select audiences in swing states who are the most likely to respond to the imagery and/or messaging. And some of the ads are clearly made just to give talking points and steer the conversation while a few seem to be only there for the sole purpose of riling up Lord Dampnut -- they play them in places like the DC or between Fox News programs where Lord Dampnut is almost guaranteed to see them.
Renzatic on 15/10/2020 at 17:37
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
No dastardly deeds?!?!
They LIED on a warrant application and accepted a phony dossier as a predicate for an investigation "knowing it was phony".
Here you are changing facts around to support your little pet theories. The Steele Dossier wasn't phony. Democrats, Republicans, our intelligence agencies, everyone considered it a credible, though not fully verified document from a trusted source. It was only later, after it leaked to the public, and its contents were shown to be embarrassing to Trump that his fanbase and propaganda machine claimed it was a fake document generated to hurt him.
If the Steele Dossier was faked, and used to issue fraudulent warrants against those on Trump's campaign team, evidence of such would've been found by Barr's own DoJ investigation, and charges would've been pressed.
And anyway, it's been well established by this point that the FBI wasn't spying on Trump's campaign. They were checking out Carter Page, who was made the foreign policy adviser for his campaign, and immediately released from said position when it came to light that he was being investigated. The Trump campaign claimed they never met with him before a certain date, and that he was never a part of his campaign staff, claims that were easily found to be false. The whole story about the Obama administration spying on Trump directly only claim later, when it was found to play well with dipshits like you.
The Trump campaign has been shown to have changed their story roughly 4 times in response to this, from we didn't know Page, to yeah we knew Page, but we didn't know about these meetings you're talking about, to yeah we knew Page, and we knew about those meetings, but nothing bad happened, to IT'S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST US, and none of the investigations against the alleged corrupt investigators have lead to any arrests or indictments, yet you still continue to insist in trusting them over all others them due to some vague notion of this nonexistent Deep State plot against.
...why is that?
Jason Moyer on 15/10/2020 at 18:55
Quote Posted by Starker
So Republicans are already preparing for a Biden presidency and pivoting to austerity. I really should have predicted it, as they always seem to spend like drunken sailors when they are in power and then whine incessantly about fiscal responsibility whenever they are out of power.
Yeah, of course, their waffling on more stimulus packages is going to cost them the Senate by the looks of it. A month ago the GOP had about a 50/50 shot at keeping control, now that's shifted to about 25/75 and keeps getting worse.
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/senate/)
Nicker on 15/10/2020 at 20:27
Assange is still alive and was not tortured. Having him as a house guest sounded pretty torturous though.
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And now it is perfectly OK to fabricate evidence against a suspect?
Absolutely not so stop doing it.
heywood on 15/10/2020 at 21:45
Quote Posted by Starker
Indeed, and that's why they are not just putting them out on social media, but after they gather statistics on how they perform and how different groups respond to them, they play them for select audiences in swing states who are the most likely to respond to the imagery and/or messaging. And some of the ads are clearly made just to give talking points and steer the conversation while a few seem to be only there for the sole purpose of riling up Lord Dampnut -- they play them in places like the DC or between Fox News programs where Lord Dampnut is almost guaranteed to see them.
I didn't know they were going anywhere besides YouTube. I'm certainly not seeing them anywhere. And I live in NH #1, which has been one of the swingiest of swing districts in the country for 150 years, in a swing state. Our US House seat flipped from Republican to Democrat in 2006, from Democrat to Republican in 2010, from Republican to Democrat in 2012, from Democrat to Republican in 2014, and back to Democrat in 2016. In 2016, the district voted for Trump 48% over Clinton 47%, in 2012 it was 50% for Obama over 49% for Romney.
If not here, then where?
Starker on 16/10/2020 at 00:48
Do you watch a lot of TV in general? Here's one example: (
https://www.newsbreak.com/new-hampshire/manchester/news/2048522842711/nh-primary-source-anti-trump-lincoln-project-to-air-hard-hitting-tv-ad-in-nh-ahead-of-presidents-rally)
Also, Project Lincoln seems to think Biden already has NH in the bag, so maybe they are not focusing on it so much:
Quote:
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/26/lincoln-project-co-founder-talks-trumps-chances-in-nh-the-future-of-the-group-post-november-401816)
Jennifer Horn, a co-founder of the anti-Trump Republican group the Lincoln Project, has a blunt prediction about whether President Donald Trump will carry her home state of New Hampshire come November.
“I don't think that he does have a real shot,” Horn, the former chair of the Granite State's Republican Party, told host Anna Palmer of POLITICO's Women Rule podcast.
Horn's calculus would appear to track with the available polling data. A FiveThirtyEight average of New Hampshire polling shows Trump trailing former Vice President Joe Biden by a little over 9 points — Biden has topped the president in all but a single poll since April.
“I think we see that in the numbers,” she continued, positing that “I think, like everything else that this president does, that his investment in New Hampshire is driven by ego.”
Horn pointed to Corey Lewandowski, Trump's first campaign manager and a New Hampshire resident, who has insisted the president could carry the state after losing it by fewer than 3,000 votes in 2016. Trump has also, as recently as February, attributed his loss there to a debunked theory that voters were illegally bused in from neighboring Massachusetts to vote in the state, an accusation Horn called “ludicrous.”
But Horn suggested that the campaign is looking to compete in New Hampshire in order to open up any additional paths possible to reach 270 Electoral College votes.
“I also think, frankly, that he is investing a lot of money in New Hampshire because they are looking at the electoral map as closely as we are as the Lincoln Project,” she said. “And they are seeing that there are states that they thought they were going to win, that they very well could lose. And so they're trying to piece together 270 somewhere, somehow. And I don't think they're going to get it in New Hampshire for sure.”
[...]
Also also, if they are doing microtargeting, maybe you just have slipped through their cracks. Are you registered as a Republican, for example? Do you talk about politics on social media and seem like a likely swing voter?
demagogue on 16/10/2020 at 01:24
I am really curious about votes down the ballot. For me this election was really special because in a normal election year, especially as the positions get lower-level, I'll vote for a mix of Reps and Dems, more Rep as you go down and more Dem as you go up, but I'd vote for a candidate I respect and I think would be good for whatever the position is (e.g., give some weight to incumbency) at any level whatever the party.
But I couldn't do that this year because it's clear that Reps in Congress are a major part of the problem with the recent total dysfunction practically across the board save a few people, and at the even deeper level, it's clear that Rep state officials are part of the problem as they're the ones drawing the electoral districts and little maneuvers like that that lock-in Rep candidates in the higher positions. And then they're not voting rationally based on policy anymore but blatant value signaling and partisan horse racing.
So I pretty much felt compelled to do a straight Dem ticket top to bottom, even though there are local Rep officials I like and even though that goes against my personal independent ethos, it's just that one party has so completely imploded I feel like it has to be reconstructed from the ground up, so it needs to feel the pressure from the ground up. I wonder how many other independents that would normally mix their votes across parties are thinking like I was. I have a feeling it may be a lot so there may be Blue wave a lot deeper than people might expect. But it's so hard to predict anything anymore.
nbohr1more on 16/10/2020 at 03:15
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Here you are changing facts around to support your little pet theories. The Steele Dossier wasn't phony. Democrats, Republicans, our intelligence agencies, everyone considered it a credible, though not fully verified document from a trusted source. It was only later, after it leaked to the public, and its contents were shown to be embarrassing to Trump that his fanbase and propaganda machine claimed it was a fake document generated to hurt him.
If the Steele Dossier was faked, and used to issue fraudulent warrants against those on Trump's campaign team, evidence of such would've been found by Barr's own DoJ investigation, and charges would've been pressed.
And anyway, it's been well established by this point that the FBI wasn't spying on Trump's campaign. They were checking out Carter Page, who was made the foreign policy adviser for his campaign, and immediately released from said position when it came to light that he was being investigated. The Trump campaign claimed they never met with him before a certain date, and that he was never a part of his campaign staff, claims that were easily found to be false. The whole story about the Obama administration spying on Trump directly only claim later, when it was found to play well with dipshits like you.
The Trump campaign has been shown to have changed their story roughly 4 times in response to this, from we didn't know Page, to yeah we knew Page, but we didn't know about these meetings you're talking about, to yeah we knew Page, and we knew about those meetings, but nothing bad happened, to IT'S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST US, and none of the investigations against the alleged corrupt investigators have lead to any arrests or indictments, yet you still continue to insist in trusting them over all others them due to some vague notion of this nonexistent Deep State plot against.
...why is that?
Indictment:
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-pleads-guilty-first-criminal-charge-durham-probe/)
