Tony_Tarantula on 12/9/2020 at 20:48
Right wingers/Russians really have no shame. Now they're trying to incite violence by claiming protestors started the fires:
[video=youtube_share;iIRn--QDciQ]https://youtu.be/iIRn--QDciQ[/video]
nbohr1more on 13/9/2020 at 20:14
What a bogus narrative...
Trump watched for weeks as the DNC and media screeched that his "Corona Travel Ban" was "racist".
Anyone with a working pair of eyes can tell that if Trump said to be cautious that the News would say that he is lying and
using the Coronavirus as a political tool.
So he does the exact opposite knowing that the news will then do the right thing and promote safety measures to spite him.
But the news does a half-assed job because they want to see all these people dying to be able to hang it all on Trump.
The Woodward interview was Trump giving them the chance to do the right thing.
CIA at their finest.
Nicker on 13/9/2020 at 20:23
Quote:
Anyone with a working pair of eyes can tell that if Trump said to be cautious that the News would say that he is lying and
using the Coronavirus as a political tool.
Trump gets caught lying = he was telling the truth? Help us unravel this stunning logic.
Do we just ignore Trump on tape, saying the exact opposite of his public message about COVID or was that him being a genius and using reverse messaging to force the media to tell the truth about COVID by lying about Trump's message?
Am I close yet?
nbohr1more on 13/9/2020 at 20:57
Quote Posted by Nicker
Trump gets caught lying = he was telling the truth? Help us unravel this stunning logic.
Do we just ignore Trump on tape, saying the exact opposite of his public message about COVID or was that him being a genius and using reverse messaging to force the media to tell the truth about COVID by lying about Trump's message?
Am I close yet?
It's very easy.
If you know that your enemy will contradict your words to the public, and you know that if they do this it will kill millions, then you try as best as possible to say the opposite.
The tape is just evidence that he may have believed that "someone" such as Bob Woodword may have had the moral standards to ignore these partisan times and just report
honestly.
And what does Bob do with this nugget of truth? Sit on it and let people die until it can be used for the election.
Nicker on 13/9/2020 at 22:28
Got it. Trump lies to keep others honest by making them lie about his lies.
Makes perfect sense. Please continue.
Renzatic on 14/9/2020 at 00:23
It's amazing the lengths these people will go to justify what Trump says and does.
It's even funnier that they think it's everyone else are the ones who are in a brainwashed cult. Everything he offers up are post-facto justifications, and assumptions of intent made up on the fly to explain "what really happened" that have no evidence or bearing in reality.
What's the point of arguing with you, Nbohr? You're not actually using facts and logic. You're just making shit up as you go along, all to pay lip service to Donald J. Trump, our New Jesus of Modern America.
Case in point...
Quote:
So he does the exact opposite knowing that the news will then do the right thing and promote safety measures to spite him.
Okay, so what evidence do you have to prove this? Right now, it seems that you're just trying to ply your usual Trump Good, Media Bad angle, ignoring the fact that there are literally millions of Americans out there who take everything he says at his word. Him saying that the threat the virus represents is a hoax, and that it isn't much worse than the flu simply to trick the democrats and media into taking the virus seriously through reverse psychology would only serve to make things worse, since we now have so many people and various state governments, all aligned closely with Trump, running around saying that it's a Democrat hoax, and isn't much worse than the flu.
If that was actually his honest intent, wouldn't you say that playing the contrarian only served to make things worse?
nbohr1more on 14/9/2020 at 00:56
Quote Posted by Renzatic
It's amazing the lengths these people will go to justify what Trump says and does.
It's even funnier that they think it's everyone else are the ones who are in a brainwashed cult. Everything he offers up are post-facto justifications, and assumptions of intent made up on the fly to explain "what really happened" that have no evidence or bearing in reality.
What's the point of arguing with you, Nbohr? You're not actually using facts and logic. You're just making shit up as you go along, all to pay lip service to Donald J. Trump, our New Jesus of Modern America.
Case in point...
Okay, so what evidence do you have to prove this? Right now, it seems that you're just trying to ply your usual Trump Good, Media Bad angle, ignoring the fact that there are literally millions of Americans out there who take everything he says at his word. Him saying that the threat the virus represents is a hoax, and that it isn't much worse than the flu simply to trick the democrats and media into taking the virus seriously through reverse psychology would only serve to make things worse, since we now have so many people and various state governments, all aligned closely with Trump, running around saying that it's a Democrat hoax, and isn't much worse than the flu.
If that was actually his honest intent, wouldn't you say that playing the contrarian only served to make things worse?
Do you have blinders on?
Every week this is the pattern:
Media outlets say something like "Example A".
Trump says "Example A" but a little more "exaggerated, hyperbolic".
Media says that A is wrong and Trump is Hitler for even mentioning A.
Conservatives point out the original "Example A"
Vox, The Atlantic, etc write think pieces about how "The original A is way different than the A that evil Trump was discussing".
It's a very tiring game and now it has become a deadly one.
Nicker on 14/9/2020 at 03:05
Deadly indeed. Of the over 20,000 documented and substantive lies Trump has told in office, this suite is the deadliest.
It's simple. Trump knew how deadly COVID19 was. He had access to a mitigation strategy, procedures and infrastructure, inherited from previous Administrations. He had access to the best and most respected medical advisors and administrators. He had access to friends and allies around the globe (it is a globe, right?) ready to share their resources and knowledge. He had an opportunity to act decisively, to guide, to lead. All he had to do was share the truth with the people he is sworn to protect.
But instead, you claim, he played a game of brinksmanship with the media. Instead, he lied. He didn't, as you claim, just zigg one day to make the press zagg the next day. He lied and lied and lied and lied, for months and months. He destroyed the plans he inherited. Berated those who told the truth. Threatened them, belittled them, fired them, exposed them to threats against their persons and their families. Allowed tens of thousands of Americans to die. And all this, you say, with the expectation that the press would be fooled into panning a few nuggets of shiny truth out of his river of shit.
Wow. And by WOW I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Renzatic on 14/9/2020 at 03:52
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
Do you have blinders on?
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you're the one with blinders on? That you put all your hopes into this one man to fix all the problems of America, and rather than accepting that he might be a little less than advertised, you're instead constructing all these massive conspiracies to explain why this thing that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck is actually the mongoose you've always claimed it to be.
Let's take Bob Woodward for an example here, since you brought him up. Here's a man who played a good part in exposing Nixon back in the 60's. A journalist hero! A man who uncovered the Clintons playing a little too fast and loose with their Clinton Foundation funds. What integrity!
...now he does the same to Trump, and holy shit, he's been a politically biased Deep State agent all this time! Can't trust a thing he says!
At some point, you have to realize that you're not search for the truth, you're looking for excuses to justify the faith you've misplaced in one man. I guess for some people, it's easier to say that it's the rest of the world that's wrong. It's comforting even.
nbohr1more on 14/9/2020 at 04:07
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you're the one with blinders on? That you put all your hopes into this one man to fix all the problems of America, and rather than accepting that he might be a little less than advertised, you're instead constructing all these massive conspiracies to explain why this thing that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck is actually the mongoose you've always claimed it to be.
Let's take Bob Woodward for an example here, since you brought him up. Here's a man who played a good part in exposing Nixon back in the 60's. A journalist hero! A man who uncovered the Clintons playing a little too fast and loose with their Clinton Foundation funds. What integrity!
...now he does the same to Trump, and holy shit, he's been a politically biased Deep State agent all this time! Can't trust a thing he says!
At some point, you have to realize that you're not search for the truth, you're looking for excuses to justify the faith you've misplaced in one man. I guess for some people, it's easier to say that it's the rest of the world that's wrong. It's comforting even.
I have no faith in Trump other than that he is a self-serving mafia goon.
I have faith in Julian Assange, in Google DKIM signatures, and Bill Binney.
If these folks are claiming that we are in a deep-state civil war, then I believe them. Trump is just along for the ride.
Trump may even be part of the deep-state too (controlled opposition).
