demagogue on 21/3/2020 at 07:20
The stupid thing about this is his base is going to be oblivious to it--they didn't take it seriously in January and February either so could hardly blame him--and the only thing they'll recognize by late next fall is we somehow survived (/are surviving) this and Trump was the captain our captain that saw us through it. :p
Starker on 21/3/2020 at 07:48
There is a bear in the woods virus in the world:
[video=youtube;tPl7HghDcXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPl7HghDcXc[/video]
Renzatic on 21/3/2020 at 08:14
Quote Posted by demagogue
The stupid thing about this is his base is going to be oblivious to it--they didn't take it seriously in January and February either so could hardly blame him--and the only thing they'll recognize by late next fall is we somehow survived (/are surviving) this and Trump was the captain our captain that saw us through it. :p
Pretty much this. It was a fake news hoax until it wasn't, then Donald Trump came in, and saved the day. Why are we being so mean to him? It's because we're jealous/have TDS.
You know, I wish I had a job where I could fuck up this much, and still get praised for doing the bestest job ever. Apparently the presidency is the ultimate participation trophy.
Quote Posted by Starker
There is a
bear in the woods virus in the world:
I won't lie to you, Starker. I thought that was a screamer video up until the very end.
Dia on 21/3/2020 at 11:43
Quote Posted by demagogue
The stupid thing about this is his base is going to be oblivious to it--they didn't take it seriously in January and February either so could hardly blame him--and the only thing they'll recognize by late next fall is we somehow survived (/are surviving) this and Trump was the captain our captain that saw us through it. :p
'(Trump, during his daily coronavirus task force press conference on Friday) Alexander interrupted the next reporter who was called on, shouting, “What do you say to Americans who are scared?” “I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say,” Trump fired back.'Yeah, he's really 'seeing us through it' alright. He's more worried about his ratings than he is the real state of our Union. Hell, his 'visit' to the CDC headquarters two weeks ago was a joke and nothing but a photo op for him. Reading news articles that have headlines like '
Trump’s CDC visit turns into scattershot defense on coronavirus response: Falsely claims tests are fully available, calls Wash. governor ‘a snake’' really inspires hope in all of us, right? Epic fail. I'm glad I've never heard a Trump supporter brag (in RL) about how we're all 'winning' under Trump, because I'd probably be arrested for popping him right in the nose. And I'm not a violent person. *smh*
Starker on 22/3/2020 at 13:24
"A fine-tuned machine", part 2:
Quote:
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/short-term-thinking-trump-coronavirus-response-140883)
After months of minimizing the threat to the United States, President Donald Trump jumped feet-first into the coronavirus fight this week with vows of quick fixes to the testing problem, claims about potential cures, and efforts to rope in agencies that had inexplicably been excluded, like FEMA.
The show of action played well in the White House briefing room and with the public, but has had a different impact behind the scenes. Health-agency officials and outside advisers to the administration, speaking on the condition of anonymity, described a chaotic situation in which leaders rushed to address presidential requests that sometimes seem to come on a whim while losing focus on longer-term challenges.
Trump’s drive to announce unfinished initiatives created a “need to make good on half-baked promises,” said one senior official — who, like other Americans, learned about some initiatives only when the president announced them at the White House podium.
For instance, no one in the White House had devised a national strategy for obtaining and distributing the necessary supplies in the likely months-long fight against the pandemic that lies ahead, said three people with knowledge of the planning efforts. Those supply-planning efforts are only now underway.
[...]
Trump has worked to tamp down concerns about insufficient tests and supplies, saying that the flurry of federal, state and local efforts will be sufficient. “If California can get a mask sooner than we can get it for them, through all of the things we're able to do, we'll end up with a big over-supply,” the president said at a press conference on Saturday. “At some point this is going away.”
[...]
Meanwhile, Trump on Saturday was asked about “the plan” to contain coronavirus as the nation enters day 6 of the White House’s 15-day campaign to slow the virus’ spread, and specifically whether additional measures needed to be taken.
The president declined to detail next steps, saying only that leaders would know more next week.
“We’ll have to see what the result is,” Trump said.
Who would have thought that Michael Lewis's The Fifth Risk would prove so prescient. Out of all the books describing the chaos in Lord Dampnut's administration and its potential ramifications, it was probably the driest, the most policy focused, the least partisan... and the most scary. And it's all coming true.
demagogue on 22/3/2020 at 14:07
Anne Marie Slaughter wrote an op/ed for the NYTimes today that was basically: the one saving grace of a relatively free~ish liberal democracy like the US, compared to top-down authoritarian gov'ts like China, is that, while in the short run they can't clamp down with command-and-control restrictions like total travel bans and lock-downs as well, in the long run experts and local authorities have more space and ability to organize more effective action and completely bypass the top command altogether, and she was giving examples of how agencies and lower level government were taking action without waiting for clear direction that we know isn't going to come, at least in a useful form. (This probably applies to other democracies that are in shambles at the top too.)
It's already been reported how far the gears of gov't try to get away with pretending Trump doesn't exist. But if ever there were a time for that, that time is now. The hoi polloi can snub their noses at elites with pointless gestures and value signaling all they want, but the fact that that's about all they can do and elites get to control things because they're the only ones that understand how to actually operate this thing is what's going to get us through this relatively unscathed less mortally scathed than the alternative if anything can.
Gryzemuis on 22/3/2020 at 14:27
Republican voters are older (average age is 50y) than Democrat voters (average age is 47y). (Note: I found this statistic somewhere on the web. I have no idea how old or how accurate those numbers are).
The fatalities of the corona virus are mostly older people.
So if 5% of the US population dies because of the covid-19, the spread might actually be something like 1/3rd Democrats and 2/3rd Republicans.
If enough old people die, this might have the effect of tipping the balance in favor of the Democrats.
Serendipity.
Pyrian on 22/3/2020 at 16:18
That's like 15 million people or so.
Starker on 22/3/2020 at 16:19
Quote Posted by demagogue
Anne Marie Slaughter wrote an op/ed for the NYTimes today that was basically: the one saving grace of a relatively free~ish liberal democracy like the US, compared to top-down authoritarian gov'ts like China, is that, while in the short run they can't clamp down with command-and-control restrictions like total travel bans and lock-downs as well, in the long run experts and local authorities have more space and ability to organize more effective action and completely bypass the top command altogether, and she was giving examples of how agencies and lower level government were taking action without waiting for clear direction that we know isn't going to come, at least in a useful form. (This probably applies to other democracies that are in shambles at the top too.)
It's already been reported how far the gears of gov't try to get away with pretending Trump doesn't exist. But if ever there were a time for that, that time is now. The hoi polloi can snub their noses at elites with pointless gestures and value signaling all they want, but the fact that that's about all they can do and elites get to control things because they're the only ones that understand how to actually operate this thing is what's going to get us through this relatively
unscathed less mortally scathed than the alternative if anything can.
That's always been the hope, hasn't it -- that the people Lord Dampnut installed stay out of the way of the competent people, that lost funding and research can be replenished, and that the fired experts can be rehired. But that's what's so difficult about the problem Lewis describes -- you can't just destroy a resource built up in months and years and decades and then expect to just rebuild it in a short amount of time. Once you destroy the culture and expertise built up in an institution, that's not something you can solve by leaving them to do their thing in a crisis.
Gryzemuis on 22/3/2020 at 17:10
Quote Posted by Pyrian
That's like 15 million people or so.
Do you have any reason, any number, any indication to believe the percentage will be lower ?