catbarf on 6/3/2020 at 17:48
Quote Posted by Starker
Biden campaigns on a return to normalcy and his policy is fairly basic stuff -- try to improve on Obamacare and get more people covered, try to get a public option going, etc. And to me it seems like a pretty good sell in the current climate.
I don't think a return to normalcy- a status quo that actively
is not working for a good chunk of the American population- is a good sell. Trump already won against a candidate who represented the continuation of the status quo.
Biden isn't promising transformative reform on police accountability, healthcare and medical debt, education costs, or widening income inequality. His biggest statement on addressing the issue of wealth has been telling his rich donors that (
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/) 'nothing would fundamentally change' if he were elected. He's condescendingly dismissive towards ideas like Medicare for all.
His promise to America is another four years of people resorting to GoFundMe for cancer treatment, Flint not having drinkable water, and Amazon continuing to exploit poor communities for cheap labor. He's completely worthless to progressive causes, so to the demographics that haven't been happy with how things are even pre-Trump, all he's got going for him is 'not Trump'. Maybe that's enough for this election. I'm not so optimistic.
Starker on 6/3/2020 at 23:58
No, Biden is not promising a revolution or big structural change. His pitch is that he can defeat Lord Dampnut, restore the function of the institutions of the US to what they were previously, and incrementally try to make things better where possible.
Clearly this is not enough for people like you who want a revolution and the complete transformation of the US into something else entirely (e.g. something more akin to Denmark). But I'd argue that for a lot of people it is enough. As Heywood said, things are different from 2008 when people wanted a change candidate. But I'd say things are different even from 2016 when people on one side had succumbed to apathy from change not happening and people on the other side wanted a revenge candidate who they thought was going to hurt the right people -- the elites in Washington, the smug leftists and liberals looking down on them, the minorities not knowing their place, and the people not really belonging to America coming for their share of the pie. After the four years of chaos and dysfunction it brought, yeah, I'd say what Biden is offering will seem like a pretty good deal to a lot of people in swing states that are not nearly as woke as Democrats seem to think.
And no, the status quo is not working for a lot of people -- a country where people ration insulin, have to triage their medical needs, and are afraid of calling the ambulance or going to the hospital, because it might bankrupt them, clearly has something wrong with it. But the change can't happen with a president coming and willing it so. You either need complete control of the legislature or some political compromise with the Republicans to make anything happen beyond what Biden's promising. And even just taking the Senate is a bit of a long shot currently, let alone having a supermajority.
Nicker on 8/3/2020 at 06:50
TT - I am not clicking on a bare-arsed link.
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If people are having a chill day, don't watch this.
If you need a bitter laugh or a few moments of terror, please do.
Roger Stone goes primal.
[video=youtube;VesFY1ULmhE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesFY1ULmhE[/video]
Renzatic on 8/3/2020 at 06:58
That's what's mistaken for "tough" these days.
Tony_Tarantula on 9/3/2020 at 04:59
Linking this article because it's both interesting, and I'm posting it to illustrate why those posters who think there's no such thing as "conspiracies" and who really think that the "very smart and serious" career politicians and the government actually care about you...you know, your typical
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https://allthatsinteresting.com/gary-webb)
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n a three-part exposé, investigative journalist Gary Webb reported that a CIA-backed guerrilla army in Nicaragua had used crack cocaine sales in Los Angeles' black neighborhoods to fund an attempted coup of Nicaragua's socialist government in the 1980s — and that the CIA may very well have known about it.
It sounds like a Tom Clancy novel, right? Except it actually happened.
The series of reports, published in the San Jose Mercury News in 1996, set off a firestorm of protests in L.A. and in black communities across the country, as African-Americans became outraged by the assertion that the U.S. government could have supported — or at least turned a blind eye to — a drug epidemic that had ravaged their population while at the same time incarcerating a generation with Ronald Reagan's “War on Drugs.”
For Webb, his reporting “challenged the widely held belief that crack use began in African American neighborhoods not for any tangible reason but mainly because of the kind of people who lived in them.”
“Nobody was forcing them to smoke crack, the argument went, so they only have themselves to blame. They should just say no. That argument never seemed to make much sense to me because drugs don't just appear magically on street corners in black neighborhoods. Even the most rabid hustler in the ghetto can't sell what he doesn't have. If anyone was responsible for the drug problems in a specific area, I thought, it was the people who were bringing the drugs in.”
Those people, he found, were backed by the CIA.
On the other hand, more prominent newspapers couldn't believe that a small-time newspaper had scooped them in such a groundbreaking story.
Webb faced an onslaught of reports from the New York Times, the Washington Post, and especially the Los Angeles Times that sought to discredit him — and it worked. The CIA, amid a public relations “nightmare,” broke its policy of not commenting on any individual's agency affiliation and denied Webb's story entirely.
Remember: Trump is the single most corrupt thing that's ever happened to the USA and prior to this government officials took their duties seriously and did what was in the best interests of the American people because they're noble, selfless servants!Quote:
Kolya
You know what would be hilarious?
You DO realize that the "Coronovirus is a hoax" story has been fact checked and ruled false, right? As in Trump did not say what was claimed?
Rush Limbaugh claimed that later but Trump's actual claim was the Democrats were attempting to use it for political gain not that the virus itself is a hoax.
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TT - I am not clicking on a bare-arsed link.
You don't click on any links because you're the mirror image of a FOX News cultist.
Sulphur on 9/3/2020 at 05:42
We really are living in the age of real-life satire. This entire saga has no need for authorial input or added symbolism - it's ready-made and pre-plated, and all it needs is to be served.
Off-topic, are we really sure T_T isn't just a hardwired bot whose context parser has been fucked for a couple of decades and no one cared enough to fix it?
Renzatic on 9/3/2020 at 05:51
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
You don't click on any links because you're the mirror image of a FOX News cultist.
You try so hard, Tony.
Starker on 9/3/2020 at 06:04
Quote Posted by Nicker
Roger Stone goes primal.
[video=youtube;VesFY1ULmhE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesFY1ULmhE[/video]
I looked up the lawyer questioning him, and it's Larry Klayman, of Judicial Watch fame, who's primarily known for his very aggressive legal harassment of Democrats, and Clintons in particular. Apparently, lengthy depositions and questioning designed to upset people were one of his hallmarks.