Nicker on 20/2/2020 at 18:44
Before. Trump, is already scraping the bottom of the barrel and he still needs a campaign manager.
Starker on 20/2/2020 at 18:58
Quote Posted by heywood
Scroll down to the third bar chart:
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https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds) https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds
It appears that more Republican voters turned out for Sanders in the primary than the number who switched back to Trump in the general election. Those voters weren't looking for another center-right stooge of the investment banking industry to deliver four more years of stock market expansion, record corporate profits, trade liberalization, and manufacturing job loss.
So what's your strategy for getting these people to vote Democrat in 2020? Offer the same deal again, only worse this time, and hope that four years has made them hate Trump as much as you do? That's probably not a winning strategy. Wouldn't it make more sense to nominate someone who's actually demonstrated the ability to get some people to cross party lines in a Presidential election?
Looks like there were plenty of moderate to strongly Democrat-leaning voters among those who switched to Lord Dampnut. And quite a lot lot more among those who didn't vote. It's to be expected though -- those swing states are far less liberal than New York or California are. And yes, I would guess that the populism was the main appeal. That's what Bernie does.
I don't hate Lord Dampnut. Most of the time I think he's a hilarious joke. There are some things I strongly abhor, like his inhumane policies towards asylum seekers, the general stoking of xenophobia, racism, and bringing out the worst elements of US, failing the people of Puerto Rico in their greatest need, etc... The vast majority of the things he does, though, like eroding the rule of law in the US, don't affect me in the slightest, so other than some general sympathy to the victims of his policies, he doesn't really perturb me. Entertain, yes. US politics have never been as interesting to me before he entered the arena.
As for policies, those voters may not have been looking for another center-right stooge of the investment banking industry to deliver four more years of stock market expansion, record corporate profits, and manufacturing job loss, but they voted for one anyway. Trade liberalisation, yes, on that he delivered, though I would argue that his trade wars are not really having the effect he's thinking it does and his goal of reducing the trade deficit smacks of ignorance about how trade works.
As for what I would recommend for your Democratic candidates, from what I've seen of Rick Wilson on Bill Maher and other shows, I think he generally nails it -- make this about Lord Dampnut, a check on decency. Obama didn't win because of his policies, he was winning on a message of hope. All of Lord Dampnut's policies fit on a trucker hat. You really need to get out those black voters, those suburban moms, everyone who is sick and tired of the chaos and corruption, everyone whom Lord Dampnut has alienated or failed. And you need them not in liberal California, but in the not so liberal swing states. And I bet it's not going to happen by promising free college and government healthcare for everyone -- something the executive alone can't really deliver in the first place.
Tocky on 21/2/2020 at 01:58
You know it could very well be that those republicans who voted Bernie in the primary did so because they figure Trump can beat him. I'm sure they figure to scare folks with that socialism boogeyman which over fifty percent of US citizens consider the most scary of boogeymen going. They will bring up Venezuela and claim Sanders ideas are the same though of course they are not. They will ignore the difference between democratic socialism, which most civilized countries have a measure of, and shake full socialism like a dead skunk in voters faces. They will conflate communism with Sanders ideas. They know all of their voters and some of the others are simple minded and can't understand the difference. They WANT Sanders as the opposition because they are ready to scam with straw men galore.
I still like Warren. I like her policies and the fact she can stick up for them while putting the opposition in it's place. I've seen her do it. But I'll vote Sanders. I'm not too sure others will after the Trump scare machine cranks up full throttle though.
Starker on 21/2/2020 at 05:24
Yeah, Sanders unfortunately has a lot of baggage that the Republicans can exploit from his earlier days when he was advocating for the full-on seize the means of production kind of socialism, not the market economy socialism of Denmark.
I thought Warren was fairly boring at first, but she has come a long way -- I don't remember if it was her who draw first blood in the last debate, but that horse-faced lesbians line was a solid gut punch.
None of the candidates seem to have the magnetic charisma of Clinton or Obama, though.
Renzatic on 22/2/2020 at 06:18
That's Vae bait.
Nicker on 22/2/2020 at 21:26
:angel:
Renzatic on 23/2/2020 at 00:08
Remember when our presidents actually had integrity and strategery? Thems was good days.
[video=youtube;zDgRRVpemLo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgRRVpemLo[/video]
Starker on 24/2/2020 at 15:58
Yeah, even Dubya, as bad as he was, had some standards. These days you can just buy pardons from the president:
[video=youtube;roGPWFUCz0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roGPWFUCz0c[/video]
In other news, looks like Bernie's got the Nevada caucus in the bag with at least 14 delegates, which means he takes the lead from Buttigieg and is now the frontrunner instead of Biden. And if Biden doesn't do well in South Carolina, he'll be in a very good place the upcoming Super Tuesday, as the early states give a not insignificant boost in the polls and donations.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/799979293/how-many-delegates-do-the-2020-presidential-democratic-candidates-have)
Nicker on 25/2/2020 at 19:18
What was old is new, part 2.
[video=youtube;PV7LWUuGGS4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7LWUuGGS4[/video]
