catbarf on 13/2/2020 at 17:03
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Those people seem hellbent on finding ways to deny payments.
Because it's their job, and it's how they profit.
I had to go to the ER once for scary heart attack symptoms. When I got an ultrasound, nobody informed me that while the hospital was in-network, the ultrasound technician (the
only one on duty) was out-of-network. Oops! Not covered. I was billed over a thousand dollars, and after negotiation got it down to four hundred. I shouldn't have paid anything on top of the ER co-pay.
I don't, for the life of me, understand how anyone can be in favor of the current system. Our prices are already grossly inflated due to hospitals setting their prices to account for the percentage of people who will never pay. Even if single-payer healthcare (or a public option) somehow didn't result in reduced premiums despite axing the corporate middlemen entirely, it would be worth it just to get rid of the gotchas.
Starker on 13/2/2020 at 17:19
Btw, if anyone is interested how the US health care system came to be the way it is and why it's so difficult to change, the excellent Yale lecture series Power and Politics in Today's World touches on that very issue and goes into Obamacare as well: (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqm8T_FNnog&feature=youtu.be&t=2489)
The whole course is worth watching, if you want an approachable introductory course into today's political world and power relations.
jkcerda on 13/2/2020 at 17:38
Quote Posted by Starker
Why not blame Republicans? If a single Republican had pitched in, you would have had your public option. Instead it came down to Lieberman for whom the running joke was that the "I" in "Lieberman (I-CT)" stood for insurance companies.
Democrats were 59/60 there to get public option done and Republicans and Lieberman were 0/0 there for the people and all in for their own interest.
nice mental gymnastics you are doing there.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option)
GOVT run shit is just that, shit.
Starker on 13/2/2020 at 17:52
Yeah, profit-driven industries really give that quality care that gets people addicted to opioids and cons them into using dialysis machines over getting transplant to milk them as long as possible.
And from your own link:
Quote:
The public option was initially proposed for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but was removed after Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) threatened a filibuster.
Democrats needed that Lieberman vote. If there had been one Republican to step in, they would have been able to pass the bill with a public option.
jkcerda on 13/2/2020 at 18:09
Quote Posted by Starker
Yeah, profit-driven industries really give that quality care that gets people addicted to opioids and cons them into using dialysis machines over getting transplant to milk them as long as possible.
And from your own link:
Democrats needed that Lieberman vote. If there had been one Republican to step in, they would have been able to pass the bill with a public option.
public option is NOT single payer............ and there are plenty of vets hooked on opiods through the POS VA.
Starker on 13/2/2020 at 18:12
Who said public option was single payer? And it was public option that was the topic at hand, not single payer.
jkcerda on 13/2/2020 at 18:43
Quote Posted by Starker
Who said public option was single payer? And it was public option that was the topic at hand, not single payer.
see the quote inside post #12876 at the top, no where was single payer mentioned, that is all you. hell Heywood also talks about single payer.
heywood on 13/2/2020 at 19:18
From what I remember, the public option never even made it out of committee, in a Senate where Democrats held a 60-seat majority.
The Democratic Party had the Presidency, the House, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate! That happens maybe once or twice in a hundred years. If you don't seize that opportunity to get your agenda passed, you have nobody else to blame.
Pyrian on 13/2/2020 at 19:48
All Republicans and one Democrat opposed something, so it's the Democrats' fault it failed! Almost but not quite as bad as Trump taking credit for his failure in his attempt to strip protection for pre-existing conditions. All Democrats and three(?) Republicans stopped me from doing it, laud me for protecting you!
jkcerda on 13/2/2020 at 20:03
Quote Posted by heywood
From what I remember, the public option never even made it out of committee, in a Senate where Democrats held a 60-seat majority.
The Democratic Party had the Presidency, the House, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate! That happens maybe once or twice in a hundred years. If you don't seize that opportunity to get your agenda passed, you have nobody else to blame.
they DID pass their agenda, sold the American public to the HC industry.
anyways. this is fucking AWESOME news.
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http://www.startribune.com/senate-moves-toward-vote-restraining-trump-on-iran/567827752/?fbclid=IwAR0q2qYA89GKvIEt9p-98TOzOz4-ay__R_8hvN-u4G6DH_wHesBAFfS1ZCA)
Quote:
WASHINGTON — The Senate approved a bipartisan measure Thursday limiting President Donald Trump's authority to launch military operations against Iran.
The measure, authored by Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., says Trump must win approval from Congress before engaging in further military action against Iran. Eight Republicans joined with Democrats to pass the resolution by a 55-45 vote.
Kaine and other supporters said the resolution was not about Trump or even the presidency, but instead was an important reassertion of congressional power to declare war.
war powers act gave our POS PRESIDENTS too much damn power. congress needs to pull their head out of their collective asses and abide by the constitution.
