Starker on 12/2/2020 at 05:17
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Honestly, if the "average voter" isn't
terrified by Trump, there's nothing the Democratic field can offer that would perturb them.
...So who is Amy Klobuchar again and why is she suddenly a contender?
She does well in Midwestern states, apparently, and among more conservative Democratic voters. And looks like quite a lot of people bleeding from Biden have been going to Buttigieg and her.
Quote Posted by Sulphur
No, he's been trolling here long enough and obviously enough that that's patently not true. He's a dingbat collector, and attempting conversation with him in a serious context is for people who have too much time and too little sense on their hands. Or, you know. Dingbats.
Uh... *shuffles feet nervously*
Renzatic on 12/2/2020 at 05:24
We're all dingbats now.
Starker on 12/2/2020 at 05:43
To paraphrase the immortal words of JFK... Du bist ein dingbat.
Renzatic on 12/2/2020 at 05:50
Nein sie.
Renzatic on 12/2/2020 at 06:52
Weird to think Biden's slipped so low. I figured voters would go for him, given his image as the Safe Option, most likely to beat Trump.
Though Sanders could be said to represent a similar niche Trump did, and is attractive to voters for similar reasons. We all seem to want someone outside the status quo, and we're all rushing to pick anyone who represents that.
Vae on 12/2/2020 at 07:00
It is highly unlikely the DNC will allow a far-left candidate, like Sanders, to become the nominee...because even they know the only chance they have, albeit a very slim chance, is to offer someone center-left for the General Election. Although the most important thing the Dems can do right now is to strategize how best to lose...This will determine the future of the Democrat party.
Renzatic on 12/2/2020 at 07:23
There's only so much the DNC can do. All you have to do is look at Trump's run in 2016, and the interference the GOP tried tossing out in front of him to see that.
As for the election, all it'll do is determine the DNC's fate in 2020-2022. Right now, our entire political infrastructure is in flux. We have a far left trying to jam its way into the traditionally center-slightly right leaning Democrat party, and the Republicans are in the final stages of purging the moderates and classic conservatives from their party. These people won't just sit around unrepresented. They're going to do something to get their voices heard again.
And don't assume Trump's reelection is a 98% near-guarantee. The odds favor him, considering he's an incumbent backed by a strong economy, but he's not a shoe-in, even with Sanders as the DNC nominee. The country's split right down the middle on Trump, and all it'll take is a solid campaign strategy in a few key states to push 0.5% of the voters there away from him, and they've got the presidency.
This is what gave Trump his victory in '16, and he could very easily end up being victimized by the same strategy.
Starker on 12/2/2020 at 07:30
Bernie did very well in those states in 2016 also and this is just the beginning. Momentum matters, yes, but so does nation-wide appeal, name ID, and support among non-white voters, for example. Biden still has a lot going for him, so I would not count him out just yet.
But yes, one of Bernie's most underestimated abilities is a knack for channeling lingering resentments. Lord Dampnut right now is supporting Bernie, hoping he would be the easiest candidate to beat, but that may well prove out to be a fatal mistake.
Vae on 12/2/2020 at 07:52
Quote Posted by Renzatic
don't assume Trump's reelection is a 98% near-guarantee.
It's not an assumption, it's a calculation...Mark my words, the only way Trump will lose 2020, is that an unforeseen major health incident (or similar) occurs in the coming months which would force him to resign and the Dems would run against Pence. Trump will win against any current Dem candidate head-to-head,
period. Any one of them are are simply outclassed by his practical accomplishments and his mastery of persuasion.
He owns the center...and he who owns the center wins the election.
