Nicker on 21/1/2020 at 13:46
Civil war? Naw. Everybody will finally join hands and sing Kumbaya.
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Wear your flack jacket and ear-pro.
On a biographical note, Alan Dershowitz reverses his opinion that a crime needs to be committed to have an impeachment and the rest of us are reminded of something he said about the Nixon Impeachment - (
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dershowitz-nixon-gang-dc/) “I'm not happy seeing Richad Nixon's gang being tried by blacks and liberals in the District of Columbia.”
The jist of their defense is that abuse of power is not a crime. What's not clear is if the crimes committed in the process of abusing power are still crimes. It may not matter since McConnell is likely to start proceeding with a motion to dismiss the impeachment before the trial begins.
Dia on 21/1/2020 at 13:57
Quote Posted by jkcerda
not sure I agree with the "functioning" area.
the GOVT says my daughter can do with her body as she pleases at any age concerning abortion, but needs me to set up and agree to any other medical procedures including dental care.
she can go on BC and abort w/o my know,edge or consent but god forbid she gets ditches class or does something else that is stupid because THEN I am financially responsible for her, wtf?
Ok, just this one time I'll allow myself to be distracted by your deflections.
You use terms like
'do with her body as she pleases' and
'without my knowledge or consent' and that makes me think it's not so much being financially responsible for your daughter that gets your jockeys in a wad, but the fact that when it comes to her own body and reproductive healthcare, you have nothing to say about it. Do you have a problem with being financially responsible for your daughter's health and well being when you have to 'agree to any other medical procedures including dental care'? I doubt it, because you know about the procedures she requires to ensure her health, so I can only surmise it's the fact that you weren't consulted about your daughter's pregnancy and by law, aren't allowed to have control of her autonomy of her body at that point. And since you resent that point, you want to be able to refuse your daughter the healthcare she feels she needs by not having to be financially responsible for her choice. At least, that's how you're coming across in your post.
P.S. If your under-age daughter needs an abortion, then perhaps the authorities should investigate wtf is going on in your family, especially if she's not of highschool age yet.
And what the actual fuck does abortion have to do with Trump's impeachment, ffs?! Go start a new thread.
PigLick on 21/1/2020 at 15:32
well he did ask to start a new thread but Renz decided to just chuck it in this already dumpster-fire of a thread. So maybe just ignore the whole abortion thing.
jkcerda on 21/1/2020 at 15:41
Quote Posted by Starker
Okay, I skimmed through a couple of legislation discussions and basically the idea is that if parental consent is required, minors will seek out illegal and unsafe ways of getting an abortion, whereas they aren't likely to go to an illegal dentist. There were other arguments raised, but this seems to be the main one. A less controversial example of this is STD testing that doesn't require parental consent for the reason that minors will be less likely to seek treatment otherwise.
I get that, but if your child ends up pregnant or with an STD, would you NOT want to know? what if your child is being molested by a teacher? or an adult elsewhere?
Starker on 21/1/2020 at 16:44
Obviously any parent that gives a damn would want to know things like that, and ideally parents have such a relationship with their child where they will either notice if anything is wrong or the child trusts them enough to overcome the shame and tell them.
If it was a choice between knowing and having a delayed/risky response, though, I imagine a lot of parents would want their children to be safe and healthy above all.
jkcerda on 21/1/2020 at 16:48
Starker please, how many of us told our parents we were getting laid? how much shit did most of you here hide from your parents?
people do amazingly stupid shit when you are in love, sheep bring new meaning to the term "cotton mouth"... god I miss those days at the barn..........
BC and abortion can have pretty serious complications for a kid.
Starker on 21/1/2020 at 16:53
Even more serious complications when DIY solutions are sought out or when an abortion is not done by a professional or is delayed.
catbarf on 21/1/2020 at 16:59
Quote Posted by demagogue
Ian Bremmer, the political risk guru of our age, puts him at the (
https://www.eurasiagroup.net/live-post/risk-1-rigged-who-governs-us) #1 geopolitical risk of 2020, or more specifically the breakdown of US institutions following the 2020 elections given the likelihood that whoever loses, or more like their millions of followers, will protest the election as being rigged against them... Dems because Trump has already openly said he's courting international interference in the election & evidence is sure to come out (whether it's effective or not I'm not sure will be part of the concern), and Reps because Trump just has to say so (and it takes no imagination to predict him saying so) and they won't need any more than that.
Quote Posted by PigLick
so then what happens, civil war?
Quote Posted by Nicker
Civil war? Naw. Everybody will finally join hands and sing Kumbaya.
I
really hope it doesn't come to that. Police, the military, and the intelligence community all lean right-wing to varying degrees, generally getting more right-wing the closer you are to pulling a trigger. A conflict neatly divided among party lines is not a fight liberal America can win. But if things keep going the way they have been, I don't know how they can avoid it, either.
jkcerda on 21/1/2020 at 17:33
Quote Posted by Starker
Even more serious complications when DIY solutions are sought out or when an abortion is not done by a professional or is delayed.
you can't fix things if the GOVT over rules you and you never know.
Starker on 21/1/2020 at 17:46
Quote Posted by catbarf
I
really hope it doesn't come to that. Police, the military, and the intelligence community all lean right-wing to varying degrees, generally getting more right-wing the closer you are to pulling a trigger. A conflict neatly divided among party lines is not a fight liberal America can win. But if things keep going the way they have been, I don't know how they can avoid it, either.
Depends on how much they value their oath to serve their country over their loyalty to the party and Lord Dampnut specifically. How many right-wing military leaders would be willing to support a coup and be willing to set up a military dictatorship, for example?
And how united is "the right", exactly? How many would side with overt white nationalists and other extremists that this is sure to bring out? How much appetite does the regular US citizen have for civil war? How many would be willing to go to war instead of staying home and defending their own community, their own family?
Somehow I don't think it will be as neat as liberals vs conservatives, rather than, say, an overwhelming amount of government forces vs a small amount antigovernment forces.
