jkcerda on 20/1/2020 at 22:21
not a fan of GOVT duplicity.
GOVT thinks you should be 21 to exercise some rights, but ok for 12 and up to get BC and abortions? come'on.
Renzatic on 20/1/2020 at 22:53
It's like how you can join the military at 18, get hauled off to fight in a war halfway across the world, but when you get home after your year long tour, you can't drink away the PTSD demons you earned defending your country because you're not 21 yet. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Now is this a problem with the government in particular? Big L Libertarians like to think it is, that the government is some monolithic entity that enacts its will upon us in a self contained vacuum. It's not, at least not exclusively. Ours is a government for the people by the people. The reason the legal drinking age is 21 is because we the voting public were initially okay with it being changed to 21, and now don't care enough to make a big enough deal about it to get it changed. Thusly, no politicians will base their platform around it. Until new circumstances arise, or enough people make a big stink, it'll remain as-is.
This is how the US works. It's how it's always worked. Due to the fact the voting public is an ever fickle beast, it sometimes produces results that don't make sense, even when it's functioning as intended.
jkcerda on 20/1/2020 at 23:14
not sure I agree with the "functioning" area.
the GOVT says my daughter can do with her body as she pleases at any age concerning abortion, but needs me to set up and agree to any other medical procedures including dental care.
she can go on BC and abort w/o my know,edge or consent but god forbid she gets ditches class or does something else that is stupid because THEN I am financially responsible for her, wtf?
Renzatic on 20/1/2020 at 23:25
Functioning in the sense that the government is doing what the government was intended to do, acting by the will of the people it represents, not that it's producing perfectly logical laws for entirely sound reasons.
When you have two groups of people pushing opposing agendas, refusing to compromise at any point, you're going to get some weird laws that are more extreme than they need to be. It's why in California a 12 year old girl is expected to be treated as an adult when it comes to abortion issues, while in Alabama, a doctor can be charged with murder, and sent to prison for life for performing one.
This isn't a consequence of government. It's a consequence of a society deeply divided on an issue, of which sane government is but a causality.
jkcerda on 20/1/2020 at 23:38
this is where the fed need to completely over rule states "feelings", they fuck over people's rights just because the majority of the clowns of said state feel otherwise. the 2nd in CA and gay marriage or abortion in the conservative states.
Nicker on 21/1/2020 at 04:32
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dude I asked for a new thread
I only found that out afterwards. There was nothing to distinguish this particular change of topic from any of the myriad distractions you have foisted on this thread.
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you are at page 497 on cheeto hitler, is this all you want to debate politically wise?
Debate Cheeto Hitler in the Cheeto Hitler Thread? Yes! That's the topic. Considering he is one of the top five existential threats to civilisation right now, the volume of interest is not surprising. If you don't like this topic, find one you do like or start a thread on a topic of interest to you.
Again, I didn't know you were not allowed to start a thread. Maybe something a little less incendiary than abortion. Something where a middle ground might actually be found.
Just a thought.
Starker on 21/1/2020 at 09:06
Okay, I skimmed through a couple of legislation discussions and basically the idea is that if parental consent is required, minors will seek out illegal and unsafe ways of getting an abortion, whereas they aren't likely to go to an illegal dentist. There were other arguments raised, but this seems to be the main one. A less controversial example of this is STD testing that doesn't require parental consent for the reason that minors will be less likely to seek treatment otherwise.
demagogue on 21/1/2020 at 11:30
Ian Bremmer, the political risk guru of our age, puts him at the (
https://www.eurasiagroup.net/live-post/risk-1-rigged-who-governs-us) #1 geopolitical risk of 2020, or more specifically the breakdown of US institutions following the 2020 elections given the likelihood that whoever loses, or more like their millions of followers, will protest the election as being rigged against them... Dems because Trump has already openly said he's courting international interference in the election & evidence is sure to come out (whether it's effective or not I'm not sure will be part of the concern), and Reps because Trump just has to say so (and it takes no imagination to predict him saying so) and they won't need any more than that.
PigLick on 21/1/2020 at 13:24
so then what happens, civil war?
