jkcerda on 17/11/2019 at 01:21
Quote Posted by Starker
When the president's associates send witnesses messages like, "You're a rat," and "Prepare to die," what's the difference?
Seriously. ? If you can't tell the difference then there is no hope for you
Renzatic on 17/11/2019 at 01:33
Quote Posted by jkcerda
Seriously. ? If you can't tell the difference then there is no hope for you
That said, a threat doesn't necessary have to be written in big, bold letters, flashing "I'll Kill Your Family" in neon red to be considered a threat. That Trump reduces, publicly shames, and occasionally professionally ruins anyone who dares stand against him illustrates that he's willing to go the extra mile to deal with those who cross him.
It's behavior we used to not tolerate from our elected officials, but we do now for some reason.
For example, James Comey and Robert Mueller were once considered among the best the Republicans had to offer up until their paths crossed Trump, now they're treated as traitors openly derided by the president and his base. I imagine Bill Taylor will suffer a similar fate.
Starker on 17/11/2019 at 01:55
Quote Posted by Renzatic
You got a link for that, Starker? Trump's about as dumb as box of orange rocks, but even he's savvy enough to know to imply threats, rather than state them outright.
I was talking about Lord Dampnut's associate Roger Stone who apparently is every bit as dumb and awaiting sentencing right now. Though the president also has openly talked about his disdain for people who flip, i.e. cooperate with authorities and tell the truth.
The whole thing is ran like a Mafia outfit. Remember when Lord Dampnut met the FBI director for dinner to ask loyalty from him? Not to mention Rudy Giuliani being on the payroll of Lev and Igor.
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I imagine Bill Taylor will suffer a similar fate.
The smear campaign is already in full swing. Why do you think they want the identity of the whistleblower revealed so badly?
(
http://www.startribune.com/sack-cartoon-the-whistleblower/564512582/)
Inline Image:
https://stmedia.stimg.co/ows_157298032091153.jpg?auto=compress&crop=faces&dpr=1&w=525jkcerda on 17/11/2019 at 01:58
Omg. Kavanough went through the same crap
Starker on 17/11/2019 at 02:01
No. He was credibly accused of sexual assault, but he didn't brag about it. That's one difference between him and Lord Dampnut.
Renzatic on 17/11/2019 at 02:10
Yeah, something like that coming from Stone isn't that surprising.
Though keep in mind that when you're arguing against someone defending Trump, you should only mention what Trump himself has done. In other words, it doesn't matter if Stone, Mulvaney, Nunes, Graham, or any of the other hardline Trump supporters threatened her in his stead, they'll say you can't hold Trump accountable for their actions, even if said actions are to his immediate benefit.
Know your audience.
Renzatic on 17/11/2019 at 02:16
The Kavanaugh hearing was a complete clusterfuck.
I don't believe that woman lied, and I don't believe the Democrats hired her out for an attempt at character assassination. But on that same note, she didn't have anything but her half remembered testimony to stand on, which was SO VERY EASILY countered. It shouldn't have been brought up, and it ended up doing a lot more harm than good to everyone involved.
Starker on 17/11/2019 at 02:21
There were lots of other issues with that particular nominee, though. Like that college party where he showed his wiener in the face of a girl. And this is an incident that lots of people witnessed and that was the talk of the campus.
Never mind him completely losing his shit and vowing to have revenge on Democrats.
Renzatic on 17/11/2019 at 02:32
Yeah, I'd say his reaction to it all is probably the most damning thing against him.
We're talking about the highest court in the land, who's standards are usually so exacting, people are turned down on the merest concerns they'll put their politics before the law. Hell, back in the 80's, Ginsberg withdrew himself from the proceedings due to rumors he smoked a joint in college being circulated.
Then we have ole Kavanaugh, and his very public temper tantrum on live TV. I love the excuses that were made for him. "He was mad", "he was shamed", "he was under a lot of pressure." Well, given the responsibilities he's being tasked with, if he can't handle the pressure with any grace or poise, he's not fit for the role then, is he?
Nicker on 17/11/2019 at 07:01
Quote Posted by jkcerda
If that is intimidation I'm guessing most of you need a safe space from words your boss might say ...
How about... "she's going to go through some stuff". (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/ambassador-ukraine-corruption-acid-impeachment.html) Taken in the context of this...
Quote:
On the April night she answered a 1 a.m. phone call instructing her to take the next plane back to Washington, Marie L. Yovanovitch, the ousted United States ambassador to Ukraine, was at her home in Kiev — after having just finished hosting an event to honor a young anticorruption activist who had been killed in horrific fashion.
The activist, Kateryna Handziuk, was outside her home in the Ukrainian city of Kherson in July 2018 when someone splashed her with a quart of sulfuric acid, severely burning more than 30 percent of her body. After 11 surgeries over three months, Ms. Handziuk succumbed to her excruciating wounds. She was 33.
OK JK, let's hear your glib dismissal now.
