Renzatic on 23/10/2019 at 04:28
(
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-mitch-mcconnell-denies-telling-trump-his-ukraine-call-was-innocent/) On top of that, it looks like he may have been caught misquoting McConnell as well.
Quote:
"I read Mitch McConnell's statement yesterday, and he read my phone call. And, as you know, he put out a statement that said that was the most innocent phone call he's read. And I spoke to him about it, too," Mr. Trump said at the time. "He read my phone call with the president of Ukraine. Mitch McConnell, he said, 'That was the most innocent phone call that I've read.' I mean, give me a break."
On his call with Zelensky, the president urged him to investigate supposed Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election and an energy company that had employed former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter.
When CBS News asked on Tuesday if the president was lying about the supposed interaction, McConnell replied, "You'd have to ask him. I don't recall any conversations with the president about that phone call."
Sigh.
Quote Posted by Nicker
Trump invented a clumbsy forgery of a "quote" from his Defense Secretary, Mark Esperanto. It's hard for anybody to keep track of all the names, given frequent bloodletting... I mean staff turnovers, at the White House. Mark's last name is Esper.
I'm gonna give Trump the benefit of the doubt here, and guess that's probably an autocorrect fail.
Tocky on 23/10/2019 at 04:32
Hey, everybody does it, why just yesterday I strong armed a nation dependent on me to announce a phony investigation to make my opponent look bad and shift blame from my buddy Putin.
[video]https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/state-dept-witnesses-make-case-clear-in-trump-impeachment-inquiry-71799877645[/video]
Nicker on 23/10/2019 at 04:44
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I'm gonna give Trump the benefit of the doubt here, and guess that's probably an autocorrect fail.
Maybe but it shows how careless he and his staff are. His tweets and even his official letters are rife with errors, trivial and critical. He gets no slack for that.
The fake statement is a blatant Rump invention.
demagogue on 23/10/2019 at 05:16
In one leak or another, a staff said he has handlers write Tweets for him that are purposefully misspelled or use bad grammar or blatant gaffes. There's a logic to it since his base feeds of off "Leftist outrage", especially the type that's easy to "dismiss". A misspelling like this IMO is too convenient to be something other than intentional outrage fodder, like, look at dumbocrats getting triggered at Mexican-hate over an innocent mistake in the perception of someone fixated on liberals being fixated on Trump being fixated on Mexicans (like the way Trumpers are way more fixated on liberals apparently being fixated on Hillary than actual liberals bothering to even think about Hillary since at least the last 3 years. They keep bringing up "why doesn't she just disappear" when they're the main thing perpetually dredging her back up. Well they need to keep dredging her back up, because if this weren't a populist revolt against something they'd have to come up with a positive program what they actually stand for. "We can't be silent because they might be giants, and what are we going to do unless they are.")
Personally the only thing I think even worth paying attention to is actual policy on the ground, for which Trump's hardly made a scratch all things considered. Even aside from that, I think it's important for people to keep their equanimity and not play into the "triggered" game. Strong emotion never got anyone anywhere good.
Nicker on 23/10/2019 at 05:37
Hardly made a scratch? Do you mean that he's accomplished fuck all or that the smoldering wreck he commands is actually a pristine political machine?
demagogue on 23/10/2019 at 06:53
I mean as a matter of policy on the ground he hasn't developed much if anything concrete, much less barrelled it through congress, certainly nothing approaching the ambition of Obamacare.
Ok, I'll elaborate. His biggest agendas were the wall (which wasn't even touched really) and immigration exclusion rules, many of which were overturned by courts or are embarassingly thrown together (the detention fiasco, callling in the national guard), and his most consequential decisions like exposing the Kurds were made in the middle of a phone call after all of 4 seconds of reflection. Scratch isn't the word maybe since some decisions are consequential, but only in the negative sense of blowing up in our faces with "unintended" disaster or incompetence, no actual intended positive advancent of any cognizable policy program (my criteria for a dent in the policy world). What I meant by "scratch" was that the day he is out of office everything he "accomplished" can and probably will be undone by his successor in a day (since it's almost all by executive order) and it will be like he never even was in office.
He won't even leave a legacy like people know what a Nixon, Reagan, or Bush Doctrine means and those policy programs long outlived their namesake' terms and, for someone like Reagan, cast a long shadow, or ray of light if you're a fan, even to today. Trump will cast nothing because tbere's nothing there to cast, nothing but raw unfiltered ego. His entire program can be reduced to fuck bitches, get money.
lowenz on 23/10/2019 at 08:29
Quote Posted by demagogue
In one leak or another, a staff said he has handlers write Tweets for him that are purposefully misspelled or use bad grammar or blatant gaffes. There's a logic to it since his base feeds of off "Leftist outrage", especially the type that's easy to "dismiss". A misspelling like this IMO is too convenient to be something other than intentional outrage fodder, like,
look at dumbocrats getting triggered at Mexican-hate over an innocent mistake in the perception of someone fixated on liberals being fixated on Trump being fixated on Mexicans (like the way Trumpers are way more fixated on liberals apparently being fixated on Hillary than actual liberals bothering to even think about Hillary since at least the last 3 years.
They keep bringing up "why doesn't she just disappear" when they're the main thing perpetually dredging her back up. Well they need to keep dredging her back up, because if this weren't a populist revolt against something they'd have to come up with a positive program what they actually stand for. "We can't be silent because they might be giants, and what are we going to do unless they are.")
Personally the only thing I think even worth paying attention to is actual policy on the ground, for which Trump's hardly made a scratch all things considered. Even aside from that, I think it's important for people to keep their equanimity and not play into the "triggered" game. Strong emotion never got anyone anywhere good.
It's how the west world works today.....it's all about subtle psychological manipulation and victimhood+fingerpointing.
The evolution of
demagogy :p
Really, it's the same here in Italy, with old government ministry Elena Boschi as our "Crooked Hillary" having "killed" thousand of small savers.
There's something "massive" behind all of these propaganda techniques, 'cause they're literally the same applied in every country......
In B4 "
No, it's simply the leftism that's corrupted everywhere!!!1111" (see what I mean? The same automatic answer/exclamation brain-cabled.....it's why I FEAR democracy nowdays, these mental automations keep going higher, harder and stronger.....to paranoid ideation level).
Starker on 23/10/2019 at 09:32
Quote Posted by demagogue
I mean as a matter of policy on the ground he hasn't developed much if anything concrete, much less barrelled it through congress, certainly nothing approaching the ambition of Obamacare.
Ok, I'll elaborate. His biggest agendas were the wall (which wasn't even touched really) and immigration exclusion rules, many of which were overturned by courts or are embarassingly thrown together (the detention fiasco, callling in the national guard), and his most consequential decisions like exposing the Kurds were made in the middle of a phone call after all of 4 seconds of reflection. Scratch isn't the word maybe since some decisions are consequential, but only in the negative sense of blowing up in our faces with "unintended" disaster or incompetence, no actual intended positive advancent of any cognizable policy program (my criteria for a dent in the policy world). What I meant by "scratch" was that the day he is out of office everything he "accomplished" can and probably will be undone by his successor in a day (since it's almost all by executive order) and it will be like he never even was in office.
He won't even leave a legacy like people know what a Nixon, Reagan, or Bush Doctrine means and those policy programs long outlived their namesake' terms and, for someone like Reagan, cast a long shadow, or ray of light if you're a fan, even to today. Trump will cast nothing because tbere's nothing there to cast, nothing but raw unfiltered ego. His entire program can be reduced to fuck bitches, get money.
Tangible policy achievements aside, there is still all the damage he has done to your institutions and democracy. The State Department is not suddenly going to be ungutted if he resigns tomorrow. And I would bet that his foreign policy
decisions whims like tearing up the Iran deal will have a much longer impact than many people realise.
And yes, executive orders can be undone in a day, but what about all the hatred he has incited and the divisions he has deepened? What about the impact on the literal environment? As one example, US air quality has steadily improved since the 1970 Clean Air Act (signed by Nixon, of all people). Now, for the first time since decades, it's getting worse.
He may have accomplished little, but he has wrought plenty.
Tony_Tarantula on 28/10/2019 at 01:54
Holy.....fucking.....shit.....(
https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders)
Read the PDF. Any commentary I could make would only detract from what's in there.
SlyFoxx on 28/10/2019 at 01:54
Wow, can't even have a dissenting opinion on a sport around here. I played soccer in high school. I was even pretty good at it but I hated it. But the school was small, VERY small so if you had athletic ability you'd be a right dick to not contribute. So I did. We'd show up to games with 11-12 players. I could run for days back then.
I also played lacrosse in the spring. That was great fun. I suggest you have a look if you're not familiar with the game. It originated with American Indians over 600 years ago.
