✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

jkcerda on 19/10/2019 at 18:40

Quote Posted by lowenz

Still you sound fishy :p like the good old "I've lot of gay friends BUT" guy :p (BUT, not BUTT)

because oclueless turned most of you into good little war hawks , you need a democrat to tell you WHEN and HOW to leave so you can start doing your mental gymnastics to justify it.

Renzatic on 19/10/2019 at 18:42

Well, there's nothing better than a fart. Except kids falling off bikes, maybe. Fuck, I could watch kids fall off bikes all day. I don't give a shit about your kids.

Starker on 19/10/2019 at 19:12

Suddenly, when you don't support doing things in the most disastrous way possible, you're a war hawk. Who said anything about war here? The US was in a great position to mediate a settlement between Ankara, Syrian Kurds, and Damascus, and even if that failed, they could have pressured Turkey to protect civilians and limit its incursion. That's what a real ally would have done and that's what a sensible ~~withdrawing~~ relocation would have looked like, giving your allies and your soldiers the best chance to prepare.

Instead, what did Lord Dampnut do? He immediately gave away all leverage and gave the green light for Turkey to do whatever they wanted. And of course Russia and Iran immediately took the opportunity as well to make their move. US troops had to flee so fast they had to destroy their own bases and equipment thanks to your incompetent leader's impulsive whims. And when it suddenly looked bad that civilians were being slaughtered, he threw another tantrum threatening to destroy the Turkish economy and penning that embarrassing letter. Erdogan only laughed at the letter, threw it in the trash, and vowed to pay the US back for daring to give Turkey any lip. Hell, even the Turks were reportedly surprised how easily they got the US to cave and cower.

How someone can see that shitshow as anything other than a complete and utter disgrace is beyond me.

Nicker on 19/10/2019 at 19:14

Quote Posted by Starker

How someone can see that shitshow as anything other than a complete and utter disgrace is beyond me.

They's need to be JKCing.

jkcerda on 19/10/2019 at 19:26

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did oretard figure out a way in his 8 years of bombing the M-E? nope, shit he went into Syria & Libya w/o the approval of congress, NEITHER side has the "right " way to leave, already said Warren heard the war drums from her ancestors and VOTED to INCREASE MILITARY SPENDING.

OMG, they destroyed the shit instead of leaving it behind like oretard did.
(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/scrap-heap-of-war-billions-in-equipment-being-left-behind-in-afghanistan)

did trump fuck up? yes, is there a better way? no quit fucking dreaming about it.

Renzatic on 19/10/2019 at 19:51

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did trump fuck up? yes, is there a better way? no quit fucking dreaming about it.

Yeah, there was a better way. We could've better secured a peace between the Kurds and the Turks before leaving.

The worst thing about this is that there wasn't even a chance we'd be involved in their little war had we stayed. Turkey would've put their tanks along the border, rattling their sabers all the while, but never would've launched an attack with us standing between them and their intended target. Given the circumstances, that we knew what would happen were we to leave right then and there, it comes across mostly as sloppy, stupid, and callous.

This was not a strategic exit.

Now, when we eventually find ourselves having to deploy troops in the middle east, and you damn well know we will, we'll have an even bigger clusterfuck to deal with.

jkcerda on 19/10/2019 at 20:13

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oh please, those morons have been fighting each other for god dammed DECADES, arming them was a big mistake as the kurds did not pose a serious threat to turkey before. either we turn the area to glass with a few nukes or we finally find the fucking balls to leave that shit hole and don't come back until they leave the fucking stone age.

Starker on 19/10/2019 at 21:22

The serious threat is not the Kurds being armed. They were armed before. The serious threat is the existence of an autonomous Kurdish region anywhere on the planet, because that's what the Kurds in Turkey have been striving for. The Turks are hellbent on denying the Kurds any kind of identity of their own. They even called them Mountain Turks for the longest time, because they didn't want to recognise Kurds as a separate people with their own language and culture.

Also, you are completely ignoring Erdogan's geopolitical ambitions of making Turkey great again. That's the real reason he has been willing to ruin his great relationship with Assad (they have previously even vacationed together). The Kurds are merely the excuse.

As for the US, all you dear leader has achieved is disorder and dishonour. And no amount of temper tantrums will change that. And as long as you have strategic interests in the Middle East, you have no choice but to be there.

jkcerda on 19/10/2019 at 21:32

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1.The serious threat is not the Kurds being armed. They were armed before. The serious threat is the existence of an autonomous Kurdish region anywhere on the planet, because that's what the Kurds in Turkey have been striving for. The Turks are hellbent on denying the Kurds any kind of identity of their own. They even called them Mountain Turks for the longest time, because they didn't want to recognise Kurds as a separate people with their own language and culture.

2.Also, you are completely ignoring Erdogan's geopolitical ambitions of making Turkey great again. That's the real reason he has been willing to ruin his great relationship with Assad (they have previously even vacationed together). The Kurds are merely the excuse.

3.As for the US, all you dear leader has achieved is disorder and dishonour. And no amount of temper tantrums will change that. And as long as you have strategic interests in the Middle East, you have no choice but to be there.

1.oh please, stop pretending Obama gave the kurds Ar15's, Turkey did NOT bomb entire towns before, why? kurds did not pose that big a threat to them. OMG, Turkey is like the native American Indians, trying to deny the colonizers an identity of their own......

2 well since the Kurds joined forces with Assad it should all work out , right?

3. I am afraid you are correct, still only fucking morons give arms to damn terrorist in the region and then act shocked when things go south.

Renzatic on 19/10/2019 at 23:39

Saddam Hussein didn't have much reason to go after the Kurds either. Yet he did anyway, the results of which are now referred to as the (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_genocide) Anfal Genocide.