jkcerda on 18/10/2019 at 16:40
Quote Posted by Renzatic
So you're calling them "terrorists" for having the unfortunate luck to live in a town on the Syrian side of the border that Turkey decided to bomb?
Well, if you're not a troll, then you're a giant festering piece of shit. Turkey and the Kurds have a long history of strife between them, but this is a flat out human rights violation, given that it's Turkey encroaching on another sovereign nation, and attacking civilian targets.
lmmfao.
OMG, Turkey is encroaching on another sovereign nation............. you mean like we did? it's ok for US to invade Syria and arm terrorist groups there but it's not ok for another nation to address the terrorist groups at their fucking borders??? how the fuck do you think the Kurds are going to get Kursdistan to be a reality w/o any violations of human rights?
if Syria has a problem with Turkey they can deal with it themselves.
you guys are funny as fuck.
Renzatic on 18/10/2019 at 16:55
I just find it funny how your heart bled so much when Obama was handing out guns to hopped up, angry randos in Syria, only to watch you suddenly became nonchalant when Trump escalated our presence there, putting boots on the ground, and have now shifted to calling the victims of another invasion into Syria the actual terrorists for having the audacity to become a casualty during Trump's Great Peace Attempt.
And it's not the Kurds doing the violation of human rights here. It's the Turks who are now being accused of committing war crimes for using white phosphorus on civilian targets.
Amazing watching you shift your opinions based upon who's doing what.
jkcerda on 18/10/2019 at 17:08
Quote Posted by Renzatic
1.I just find it funny how your heart bled so much when Obama was handing out guns to hopped up, angry randos in Syria, only to watch you suddenly became nonchalant when Trump escalated our presence there, putting boots on the ground, and have now shifted to calling the victims of another invasion into Syria the actual terrorists for having the audacity to become a casualty during Trump's Great Peace Attempt.
2 And it's not the Kurds doing the violation of human rights here. It's the Turks who are now being accused of committing war crimes for using white phosphorus on civilian targets.
3.Amazing watching you shift your opinions based upon who's doing what.
1.oh please, even fucking linked MCR to the post showing I want reagan dug up from his grave so they can throw him in jail, and yes trump putting boots on the ground was stupid & irresponsible.
2. by all means, overlook what it takes to make Kurdistan a reality.
2A, of course the turks are being accused of human rights violations, we have a nasty thirst for war, whatever the turks are going in SYRIA needs to be dealt with by SYRIA.
3. Put the mirror away when posting .
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Renzatic on 18/10/2019 at 17:25
Quote Posted by jkcerda
1.oh please, even fucking linked MCR to the post showing I want reagan dug up from his grave so they can throw him in jail, and yes trump putting boots on the ground was stupid & irresponsible.
You said the escalation was necessary, that Trump had to do it to fix Odumbass's mistake.
I also recall you supporting Trump nixing the Iran deal, despite the fact they were belligerently adhering to it. That did nothing but add to the tensions in the region.
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2. by all means, overlook what it takes to make Kurdistan a reality.
What does a future Kurdistan have to do with the reality we're facing now? No one's saying we have to kiss Kurd ass perpetually from this point on, nor is anyone saying we have an obligation to remain in the region indefinitely for their benefit. What everyone is saying is that they did help us defeat ISIS, and we abandoned them, despite knowing that our leaving the region would immediately lead to Turkey attacking them in Syria. We didn't even try a diplomatic solution, something we could have easily attained during our stay there. Instead, it looks like we used them, then told them to go fuck themselves, and left them to die once we were done.
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2A, of course the turks are being accused of human rights violations, we have a nasty thirst for war, whatever the turks are going in SYRIA needs to be dealt with by SYRIA.
We can't attack Turkey. They're a NATO ally. We can't kick them out of NATO, because if we did, they'd immediately ally themselves with Russia.
Just like Obama leaving Iraq, Trump pulling out of Syria only served to make a bad situation even worse.
jkcerda on 18/10/2019 at 17:35
Quote Posted by Renzatic
1.You said the escalation was necessary, that Trump had to do it to fix Odumbass's mistake.
2.I also recall you supporting Trump nixing the Iran deal, despite the fact they were belligerently adhering to it. That did nothing but add to the tensions in the region.
3.What does a future Kurdistan have to do with the reality we're facing now? No one's saying we have to kiss Kurd ass perpetually from this point on, nor is anyone saying we have an obligation to remain in the region indefinitely for their benefit. What everyone is saying is that they did help us defeat ISIS, and we abandoned them, despite knowing that our leaving the region would immediately lead to Turkey attacking them in Syria. We didn't even try a diplomatic solution, something we could have easily attained during our stay there. Instead, it looks like we used them, then told them to go fuck themselves, and left them to die once we were done.
4.We can't attack Turkey. They're a NATO ally. We can't kick them out of NATO, because if we did, they'd immediately ally themselves with Russia.
5.Just like Obama leaving Iraq, Trump pulling out of Syria only served to make a bad situation even worse.
1 really? link please.
2. the area will ALWAYS be under tension, they hunt each other down for no other reason than they belong to a different group blah blah blah. it's a shithole that doesn't need any more guns
3 good, hope other groups learn from this and stop "helping" us engage in endless wars, pretty obvious the Kurds did not learn from history and what we did in Vietnam to our "allies". the dip shit who armed them made the Kurds in the Turkey BORDER a threat, turkey is NOT killing kurds in other areas but their damn border .
4.the Kurds already joined Syria/Russia , guess that makes them our enemy now right? should you guys not be happy the Turks are killing our new enemy?
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5. Obama made an awesome job at turning liberals into god dammed war hawks, we fucking left vietnam and yes it took a while but we freely deal with them and the rest of the world did not turn fucking communist because we left.
if the nobel peace prize winning oretard did not have an answer to the M-E shit show what the hell makes you think our WWE president will? what the F do you guys seriously want? 2 more F'ing decades of war?
funny as hell I am closer to code pink than any of you ever will.
Starker on 18/10/2019 at 19:24
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Turkish military forces and a coalition of Turkey-backed Syrian armed groups have displayed a shameful disregard for civilian life, carrying out serious violations and war crimes, including summary killings and unlawful attacks that have killed and injured civilians, during the offensive into northeast Syria, said Amnesty International today.
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In one of the most horrific attacks documented, a Kurdish Red Crescent worker described how he pulled bodies from the wreckage of a Turkish air strike on 12 October at around 7am, in which two munitions landed near to a school in Salhiye, where civilians displaced by the fighting had sought shelter.
“Everything happened so fast. In total, there were six injured and four killed, including two children. I couldn't tell if they were boys or girls because their corpses were black. They looked like charcoal. The other two people killed were older men, they looked older than 50. Honestly, I am still in shock,” he said, adding that the nearest frontline was more than 1km away and that there no fighters or military objectives in the vicinity at the time of the attack.
Another Kurdish Red Crescent worker described to Amnesty International his attempts to rescue an 11-year-old boy and an eight-year-old girl who were injured when mortars landed as they played outside their home near al-Salah mosque in Qamishli. He said that Qamishli had come under heavy indiscriminate attack since 10 October and residential homes, a bakery and restaurant had been struck.
“The boy was injured in his chest. The injury was horrible. He had an open wound... and he couldn't breathe. It looked like a [piece of] shrapnel ripped his chest open,” the Kurdish Red Crescent worker said.
The boy later died of his wounds. His sister was also struck by shrapnel in the attack and doctors were forced to amputate part of her leg below the knee. The rescue worker said there were no military bases or checkpoints anywhere in the vicinity.
Kids, eh?
jkcerda on 18/10/2019 at 19:28
war is ugly,.............. news at 11.
Starker on 18/10/2019 at 19:34
Yes, war on civilians is always ugly. Yet when people take up arms against government tyranny, you suddenly start justifying any atrocities against them and calling them terrorists.
Starker on 18/10/2019 at 19:40
Btw, these are the kinds of actions that get you labelled as a terrorist in Turkey:
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In 1994 Leyla Zana—who, three years prior, had been the first Kurdish woman elected to the Turkish parliament—was sentenced to 15 years for "separatist speech". At her inauguration as an MP in 1991, she reportedly identified herself as a Kurd. She took the oath of loyalty in Turkish, as required by law, then added in Kurdish, "I have completed this formality under duress. I shall struggle so that the Kurdish and Turkish peoples may live together in a democratic framework." Parliament erupted with shouts of "Separatist", "Terrorist", and "Arrest her".
In April 2008, she was sentenced to two years in prison for allegedly "spreading terrorist propaganda" by saying in a speech, "Kurds have three leaders, namely Massoud Barzani, Celal Talabani and Abdullah Ocalan."
In 2000, the chairman of the Turkish Human Rights Association Akin Birdal was imprisoned under Article 312 for a speech in which he called for "peace and understanding" between Kurds and Turks. He was forced to resign from his post, as the Law on Associations forbids persons who breach this and several other laws from serving as association officials.
jkcerda on 18/10/2019 at 20:03
Quote Posted by Starker
Yes, war on civilians is always ugly. Yet when people take up arms against government tyranny, you suddenly start justifying any atrocities against them and calling them terrorists.
it's the middle east, they are ALL damn terrorist to EACH OTHER. it's funny most liberals are against guns and the 2nd yet have no problem arming dissenting groups in the M-E.
let them kill each other W/O OUR damn guns.