PigLick on 25/2/2006 at 03:52
post made redundant by slowness
Swiss Mercenary on 25/2/2006 at 06:47
I call bullshit. My analysis of Sunday News Shows (Which I haven't been watching since forever for just that reason) indicate a strong no-spine, sensation-to-sensation, no intelligent questions bias. Perhaps they confused that with conservative bias, seeing as how all of those things end up making Shrub and Co not look like complete fucktards? And how, when there'll be a regime change in 2008, some other group of crazies will cry 'strong liberal bias,' due to the exact same reporting practices?
aguywhoplaysthief on 25/2/2006 at 07:28
Quote Posted by Paz
What the fuck, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I think people here have a whole range of opinions on varying topics - just going 'oo, you liberal' .. what does that even MEAN anyway? It's undefined, it's nebulous, it's a worthless observation.
I agree, yet I also don't. What you say is true, but the basic observation of Whoeverthefuckitwas is correct - if you were to list an issue by issue basis, gauranteed you'd find the population on the typical left of center position on most of them, in all the categories you mentioned.
jay pettitt on 25/2/2006 at 10:57
Certainly if you tried to poll conservatives in UKland with polar questions about being pro gun ownership, pro death penalty, anti abortion, anti gays - mostly you'd just get looked at funny.
Seriously, polarisation is only good for missrepresenting other people's views. Stop it.
Paz on 25/2/2006 at 14:48
Quote Posted by aguywhoplaysthief
typical left of center position
Define what you mean by this.
I think it's extremely lazy to assume, firstly that a global left-right spectrum exists - and secondly that anyone who positions themselves on that invented spectrum will automatically fall on the expected side of any individual facit of a given issue. That would assume everyone in the entire world has sorted out their internal political thoughts in a completely cogent way and also that these thoughts and feelings never move or morph.
Oh, and thirdly it's ridiculous to think that your own left-right spectrum looks anything like anyone elses.
Note: I am not arguing for total relativism; merely a redefinition of the polarising method of political categorisation (especially in the US), as this does not appear to have been any way helpful in allowing the country to reach a consensus of discourse.
Shug on 26/2/2006 at 01:44
What a typical "leftie" post Paz you left-mongering leftist
Convict on 26/2/2006 at 01:58
I think that when Tony said "If you are pro-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-gun, and pro-gay, don't be surprised if people label you a liberal" he was referring to America. In Australia, for example, conservatives are often anti-gun and anti-death penalty. I'm not so sure about the other two issues however.
Gingerbread Man on 26/2/2006 at 02:06
The weird thing to ME is that, in the US at least, the people who deride "Liberals" (and who use the word as a stupid sort of derogatory epithet instead of an actual adjective) are often the ones who seem to support international involvement in other peoples' problems with tremendous financial burdens associated, increased government involvment in private lives (often including massive new branches of bloated government), and -- generally speaking -- all kinds of things that have traditionally been absolute anathema to Conservatives and Republicans.
So if they're not "Liberals" and they believe in things that are contrary to a "Conservative" mindset, what the hell are they?
Actually, I know exactly what they are, but I won't say it because that's going to open a whole new line of retarded argument wherein Monkeysee will undoubtedly end up alone against the horde swinging his claymore and shouting things like "THAT'S NOT WHAT THE WORD MEANS YOU RETARDS" long after I've scuttled off, and he's had enough exercise that way lately.
Convict on 26/2/2006 at 02:11
I don't know that much about domestic US policy so I'm not completely certain as to what you are referring GBM, but maybe the increased size of government and increased spending are supported because they are pro-national security and anti-crime. Conservatives I think will generally support this even though it means larger government.
mopgoblin on 26/2/2006 at 02:54
"anti-crime"? Who, other than criminals, would be "pro-crime"?
