Vivian on 20/7/2010 at 09:10
Quote Posted by AR Master
Neither are you so shut up, get out
Don't mess with Whoopi, eh?
It's obviously a sensitive subject, so in a less offensive manner: What's a
good reason for homeschooling?
TBE on 20/7/2010 at 09:53
Teaching kids your values. Teaching them things you think are important, while still covering the reading, writing, mathematics. If I were to teach a child at home, I'd teach the basics and then also cover more worldly things. We don't need isolationalism here in the US. I'd also cover American History with a passion. Few people now a days remember why we still support and defend the Constitution, even though it gets ass-raped by politicians like we have now.
There are good home school teachers, and bad ones. The bad ones don't involve the children in other kids' lives. I had a friend who was home schooled. He met with a group of other home schooled kids like once a week, and they had like group teaching or something, so at least he got the social thing down.
Seriously, CCChoad, how can anyone with a brain get upset from reading this article?
Vivian on 20/7/2010 at 10:04
Why do you need to keep your kids at home to teach them your values? Unless you're worried that they might like values they get from elsewhere better than yours, which isn't giving either your kids or your personal philosophy much credit. I dunno if once a week counts as getting the 'whole social thing' sorted out either.
TBE on 20/7/2010 at 10:41
Well, I don't care if my child knows about Utah state history, where we live. I don't care if he knows about the Mormon church here in Utah, all of the things he's exposed to in the schools here. I do care if he learns about the founding members of this country. I care if he knows about sacrifice and service before self. I care if he learns about why it's important to always be able to keep and bear arms. He already knows how to shoot very well, and he knows why I continue to serve in the US Air Force Reserve, even though I can't stand the job.
These values are hard to fit into a normal day to day conversation, when he's trying to do his homework and things.
Kolya on 20/7/2010 at 11:37
Quote Posted by TBE
I don't care if my child knows about Utah state history, where we live.
I care if he learns about why it's important to always be able to keep and bear arms.
Inline Image:
http://imgur.com/WLR03.jpgVivian on 20/7/2010 at 11:45
Quote Posted by TBE
I care if he learns about why it's important to always be able to keep and bear arms.
Thats not a good reason to stop kids going to school.
AR Master on 20/7/2010 at 13:21
Quote Posted by AR Master
my kids will never darken the doorway of any public school i can guarantee you, no fucking lazy ass union carded liberal teacher is going to force their radicalist agendas down my kids' throats, I'm not having my sons get expelled for taking an aspirin or punching some kid in the fucking chops for threatening him
why would you stick your kids around bored academics all day so they can talk about how numbers make them feel and "learn" that everyone is great when you can have them running around outside and pumping them full of moral fortitude (the schools don't and most parents sure as shit dont) and material untainted by the stench of ivory tower academia. I sure won't and will skullfuck any pussy who turns their nose any perceived degree at it
you need another reason? here's one: shut up get out
Vivian on 20/7/2010 at 13:34
The stench of ivory tower academia would tend to get in the way of the stench of total bullshit, I guess. What radicalist agendas are you talking about? You didn't get expelled for taking aspirin and punching someone did you? Is that a thing that happens?
BTW name some material untouched by academics of any kind.
Queue on 20/7/2010 at 15:15
The irony of arguing about the merits of standardizing and mind-numbing academia versus tree-swinging home-fried spazmatics all while committing grammatical homicide is truly not lost.
Truly.
Muzman on 20/7/2010 at 15:29
That article is a bit like when you're a kid and you fingerpaint. You think all the cool bright colours mixed together ought to make one super colour. But it's just a sort of shit brown. If you're a really stupid you can convince yourself this colour is perfect and use it for everything. Most of us grow out of this fairly quickly.
Likewise there's a couple of interesting aspects in there: the advent of a 'political class' is perhaps arguable, as a sort of identifiable insularity, and interesting; The apparently expanding divisions in American society, both economic and social are also interesting; Centralisation of education is often problematic, particularly at large scales; So is the politicisation of education; and one or two others.
To smear these complex topcs together into a leftistcentralistpowerelitesOMGRightsFreedom bullshit fest one shade from a tinfoil hat is... well....little Johnny's, clearly sprited and earnest, Arrangement in Brown gets two days on the fridge and a pat on the head but that's it.
I didn't do an exhaustive read through, I must say and my US political history aint shit, but this paragraph;
Quote:
That is why the ruling class is united and adamant about nothing so much as its right to pronounce definitive, "scientific" judgment on whatever it chooses. When the government declares, and its associated press echoes that "scientists say" this or that, ordinary people -- or for that matter scientists who "don't say," or are not part of the ruling class -- lose any right to see the information that went into what "scientists say." Thus when Virginia's attorney general subpoenaed the data by which Professor Michael Mann had concluded, while paid by the state of Virginia, that the earth's temperatures are rising "like a hockey stick" from millennial stability -- a conclusion on which billions of dollars' worth of decisions were made -- to investigate the possibility of fraud, the University of Virginia's faculty senate condemned any inquiry into "scientific endeavor that has satisfied peer review standards" claiming that demands for data "send a chilling message to scientists...and indeed scholars in any discipline." The Washington Post editorialized that the attorney general's demands for data amounted to "an assault on reason." The fact that the "hockey stick" conclusion stands discredited and Mann and associates are on record manipulating peer review, the fact that science-by-secret-data is an oxymoron, the very distinction between truth and error, all matter far less to the ruling class than the distinction between itself and those they rule.
...for but one example, is 100% bullshit. Indeed it's such a skewed misrepresentaton it's not just wrong. You could call it lies quite safely, I think.
And "Eugenist Agenda". What the fuck? Where in any sort of reality does anyone see this? Honestly?
I guess you could say the article did make me uncomfortable. Not because it's scary this kind of paranoid anti-intellectual dogwhistle nonsense has any currency at all, but because I've seen it on the increase lately and it seems indicative of how easy it to prod certain Pavlovian nerves with just the right selection of Americana and stall all rational thought in some people, while claiming to promote it.
