june gloom on 4/10/2011 at 01:53
You're forgetting that these are, at least if you believe the deep background given by Ridley Scott, basically ancient biological weapons. I think we can forgive a few breaks from what we know about biology.
Vivian on 4/10/2011 at 08:11
Exactly. Most of the things that don't add up about their biology can be satisfyingly hand-waved if you consider them to be closer to a ridiculously advanced piece of alien tech than to what we would call an animal. But other point still stands: Can't knock Cthulhu off your chest with a rifle butt.
ANYWAY. I am a person who likes to think about things. And it seems that this game is not being made for or by people who like to think about things. So I'm not going to pay it much attention until it gives me a reason to. Bit of a shame given how much of my life as a young teenager was spent watching Aliens, but there you go. If only I could temporarily bro up.
EvaUnit02 on 4/10/2011 at 08:59
You can if you're a video game hero Mary Sue.
june gloom on 4/10/2011 at 09:52
Maybe they're not that heavy.
SubJeff on 4/10/2011 at 12:50
Unlikely since they can dent metal doors by running into them or bashing them.
Thirith on 4/10/2011 at 13:07
That's movie logic, though. They can dent metal doors in one scene, and in the next one of the Marines can keep one down (albeit only for a few seconds) with his foot. We see them thrown around by bullets and small explosions in a way that they wouldn't be if they could actually dent metal doors by bashing them.
These things are in the movie because they're cool. They create enough of an illusion of believability for the audience to suspend their disbelief. But IMO the physics of Aliens are about the last thing that holds up to close scrutiny.
By all means, if something renders the game less scary or exciting, criticise it. The lack of acid splashes when you shoot an alien at close range is one of those things IMO. But that's a different point than, "But in the movies...!" when the films aren't particularly consistent either.
Vivian on 4/10/2011 at 13:30
IMHO, if the aliens are restricted to running at you at a normal pace to cut you up a bit, and you can smack them in the face with a rifle if they get uppity, then they are no scarier than a dude with a knife. One of the thing's that made them cool was the fact they were inhumanly strong.
nicked on 4/10/2011 at 18:10
Yes but how did the eggs get onto the Sulaco at the beginning of Alien 3 eh? Eh? EH?!
SubJeff on 4/10/2011 at 18:21
Quote Posted by Thirith
That's movie logic, though. They can dent metal doors in one scene, and in the next one of the Marines can keep one down (albeit only for a few seconds) with his foot. We see them thrown around by bullets and small explosions in a way that they wouldn't be if they could actually dent metal doors by bashing them.
This is completely wrong. A lion is much stronger than a human but if one put its head through a doorway and you were around the corner you'd be able to push it's head against the door frame with your foot.
Being able to dent doors is a function of weight and strength. Assuming they are the weight they look - over 100kg, probably closer to 150, there is no reason a futuristic rifle or explosion wouldn't affect them that way.
Thirith on 4/10/2011 at 18:40
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This is completely wrong. A lion is much stronger than a human but if one put its head through a doorway and you were around the corner you'd be able to push it's head against the door frame with your foot.
Being able to dent doors is a function of weight and strength. Assuming they are the weight they look - over 100kg, probably closer to 150, there is no reason a futuristic rifle or explosion wouldn't affect them that way.
And you honestly think that something that's 100-150kg could dent metal doors like that? Doors designed to take a beating?
Aliens is a highly effective film, but it works with action film logic/physics that make sense until something needs to be shown as scary as fuck or someone needs to look badass. Logic or consistency don't come into it - just suspension of disbelief. I believe that a space marine can push away an alien with his rifle (once or twice, as long as he isn't surrounding and the creature isn't charging headlong at him) as much or as little as I believe that Ripley can hold on to that ladder rung with her arm while a friggin' queen is hanging from her leg.
