Phatose on 3/10/2011 at 00:48
Is that powerloader his co-op player? The knock-down towards the end just screams scripted to hell, and the "Where'd you learn to shoot?" comment doesn't make much sense if the other guy is in the loader.
The acid is clearly way less lethal then it should be. I don't think it's just a matter of it being a press demo either. God mode is obviously on, but the bit a 5:30 is a heavily scripted sequence, and he shoots an alien that's standing directly over him with a shotgun. That's not the acid being not coded - it's just being made way to weak.
Seem to remember the Xenos being physically much strong then they're being shown as well, but that's always toned way down in Aliens games.
I really hope they're going to explain where the hell all these Xenos are coming from though. Hadley's Hope only had like 200 people or so, and even if every last one became a host, between Gorman's squad and the nuke, there shouldn't be many xenos left.
mothra on 3/10/2011 at 03:33
where did you learn to shoot was aimed at the guy playing i guess since he misses a lot. and you only see the coop player once when introduced. I see no indication of him driving the powerloader. The commentator would have sure pointed out if his mate had died there. anyways: shotgun to the face should be acid to the face. that's why I cannot take this serious - for now.
june gloom on 3/10/2011 at 03:52
you always were an asshole mothra
SubJeff on 3/10/2011 at 11:08
lol
catbarf on 3/10/2011 at 12:32
Okay, the bit at five minutes where he manages to overpower an alien, stun it, and shoot it at point blank range is just dumb. I get that it's a game, but Marines aren't supposed to be able to beat aliens one-on-one in melee combat. If he hadn't talked up how much research they did with the source material it wouldn't be an issue.
Edit: Anyone else notice the pulse rifle has only 50 rounds per magazine? Also, I strongly doubt the powerloader was a player, since it seems to only be carrying a flamethrower (so the 'where'd you learn to shoot' comment seems out of place) and the way it gets taken down looks very scripted.
Thirith on 3/10/2011 at 12:41
I'm not sure the aliens were such a thread in Aliens, at least individually. A single alien was pretty much cannon fodder - but there were hundreds if not thousands of them. Plus they used the environment to their advantage.
It's basically in Alien and Alien 3, where the protagonists aren't well-armed or trained at combat, that a single alien is an unstoppable killing machine.
Vivian on 3/10/2011 at 13:10
If they can bash a steel pressure-door in using just their limbs/head, then they should barely notice a human struggling with them. It's ridiculous, it'd be like trying to wrestle a forklift. BUT I guess it was in the movies, kinda (Vasquez kicked one a bit), and Gearbox are clearly thinking with their balls here. Sure, punch em. Why not. I mean, you can punch a lion, right?
SubJeff on 3/10/2011 at 15:31
Looks poor to me. The acid in the original AvP was about right and melee with an Alien? Pffft.
Also new Alien is balls.
Disappointing, very disappointing.
Alien and Aliens do suffer from a logic hole in that the number and size/growth of the Aliens doesn't correspond with the host numbers and/or biomass requirements to grow that big. It's best not to think about it.
Phatose on 3/10/2011 at 22:29
Biomass is only a logic hole if they're actually using biomass, not incorporating metals or plastics. We never do actually see the things eat.
Humans should not be able to physically compete with Aliens. Vasquez doesn't kick the alien, she pins it's head against the wall with her foot and only for a moment at that.
Dietrich gets lifted up and carried off wholesale, while the weight of her armor and a flamethrower. Apone gets pounced and that's that. When a xeno shoves it's head in the APC door before the escape, it overpowers the hydraulic door and Hicks. The lethality in close combat is very well established.
Plus, I tend to think years of other films and games inspired by Aliens has affected the perception significantly. The motion trackers in the C-level and Operations battles are showing maybe a few dozen blips, not hundreds - and we really don't get to see many Aliens actually die. Even in Hudson's rampage rampage before his capture, we only see him kill 2 or 3 xenos, and can infer maybe another 4.
The xeno horde in Aliens just ain't all that big, and the marine's swagger was far, far greater then their effectiveness.
SubJeff on 4/10/2011 at 01:18
Well this all conjecture since it's unlikely the writers thought about it, but it's highly unlikely they'd use metal. Plastic on the other hand is a possible. I could live with that, it's just a shame we never see them eat.
The aliens also secrete a lot of gunk and saliva, masses in fact. The biology of that is a while different issue, and even the saliva would be highly acidic simply because they'd need some mental homeostasis to have acid blood but non-aid saliva.
