icemann on 17/5/2017 at 09:22
Meh the Terminator films have all sucked since the 2nd one, but I still love the first 2 (plus Sarah Chronicles's 1st season) regardless. They in no way have ruined the originals for me. And yet they still keep crankin out average - bad sequels.
Same goes for the Alien films after the 3rd. As much as 3 was a disappointment, it was still a worthy Alien(s) movie. The rest since have been complete meh.
Same goes for the Predator films after the second.
Renault on 17/5/2017 at 14:16
I didn't even know there was a third Predator movie (not including the Alien/Predator crossover stuff). The one review I read made it look OK, but not much more than that.
Going to see Covenant tomorrow - hopefully there will be something worthwhile to watch amidst the 2 hours. Kinda weird, I've skimmed some of the reviews and they are all over the board. Some places are saying it's a return to glory, and others say it's the same old same old and nothing new.
icemann on 17/5/2017 at 15:07
If I remember right the 3rd one was called "Predators". It's more or less a rip off of the first movie. I vaguely recall watching it at the cinema years ago. Very average.
SubJeff on 17/5/2017 at 19:15
Quote Posted by Vivian
and remarkably Event Horizon was a better-made film.
I didn't like Event Horizon at the time because the reveal and the end were naff. But in retrospect it's one of the best "crew going on a mission to..." films we've had.
Predators was very poor. Looked nice.
Terminator 2 is great sequel, but it
is just a rehash of Terminator 1.
Pyrian on 17/5/2017 at 19:50
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Terminator 2 is great sequel, but it
is just a rehash of Terminator 1.
T2 "rehashes" a lot of T1, but saying it's "just" a rehash is unfair.
SubJeff on 17/5/2017 at 21:38
T2 is almost a remake of T1. The only big difference is the going to see Miles and then destroy Cyberdine bit. Otherwise it's a beat for beat remake.
* Two people arrive. Who's the baddie? No one knows!
* Oh, he's the baddie and he's the goodie. Surprise! Time for the initial chase - T1: starts at Tech Noir, ends with the police and the baddie crashing. T2: Starts at the arcade, ends when (you guessed it) the baddie crashes.
* Place of relative safety, some explanation and look! - the same psychiatrist is here. Baddie arrives and messes up the authorities - T1: police station, T2: hospital. The good guys escape!
* Regroup, rearm. T1: Makeshift bombs. Bonking in the motel. T2: Desert hideout.
T2 diverges here for a moment for the Cyberdine jaunt.
* BADDIE FOUND THE GOODIES. Big chase time! Oh God, the bad guy got a better vehicle than us!
* We're by an Industrial Site!!!! INDUSTRIAL SIIIIIIIIITE!!!!
* Baddie is destroyed. Phew!
* OH NO, HE ISN'T REALLY DESTROYED. He's messing people up!!
* Aha! Managed to kick his ass because this particular industrial site has the McGiffin that can mess. his. shit. UP.
* WIN! But the goodie man died!! Important human integral to the future of mankind survived though.
* End exposition about the nature of man, destruction, blah blah blah.
The only more rehashed rehash is the hash that Ash finds in the cache just before the smash (or is it slash?) of his hand in Evil Dead 2.
Thirith on 18/5/2017 at 04:14
Except the tone of the two films is pretty different. It's not quite a case of Alien vs. Aliens, but T1 is much more of a B-movie horror/slasher flick whereas T2 is a largely VFX-driven action movie, added to which the relationship between Sarah and Kyle is very different from the Sarah-John-Arnie relationship. Plot points are one thing, but the two films treat them very differently.
Sulphur on 18/5/2017 at 04:22
Yeah. T2's over-arching theme is that it's a subversion of T1's plot, so focusing on the fact that chunks of it mirror T1's structure is missing the point.
SubJeff on 18/5/2017 at 04:32
But it doesn't just subvert it. The initial switcheroo was fine - it didn't have to be a bit by bit redo.
Sulphur on 18/5/2017 at 04:47
I don't know what to say here. I wouldn't call it a bit-by-bit redo when it intersperses different motivations and tone throughout the proceedings. Yes, it uses a similar framework, but that honestly didn't bug me because it had new things to say about what was going on, plus the new technology at play meant that everything was done better, with no more Harryhausen-style robot sequences. If that didn't appeal to you because you wanted it to go completely off-piste, that's fair, but the situation isn't a cut-and-dried rehash.
