SubJeff on 6/5/2017 at 22:02
I know something about the film that neither you nor Koyla do.
This is a fact.
How I know this is irrelevant. It doesn't make me superior, it just means you know even less than everyone thought, you berk.
I mean - I've chosen not to spoil it for either of you and instead of just accepting that you swear at me? What an unutterable idiot you are. I'll not spoil anything for anyone else so I'll say no more but really? Jeeeeesus Christ on a bike. What is WRONG with you?
Aaaaaanyway... Aliens: DC is on again in the UK. There is a bit plot hole I've only just noticed. It's not that important in that it makes no difference to the events, but when they're discussing the Alien's MO Ripley comes up with the theory that there is an egg layer somewhere. But she was on the Nostromo and knows that Kane and Dallas found 100s if not 1000s of eggs, so why would she imagine there was a queen/egg layer and not just courier to the egg ship?
SubJeff on 14/5/2017 at 01:30
Prometheus was better.
It looks great but it's got more holes in than a really holy thing. It makes little sense at all actually.
If you've seen the trailer you'll know that it has a fully fledged xenomorph in and though it looks great it's a real berserker compared to the originals. Nothing can save it from itself though.
Scott should stop now, whilst he's behind. Or give me control. I honestly couldn't have done worse.
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This and Prometheus suffer from having too much crammed in. Alien and Aliens are lean, this was bloated.
Alien has one plot hole - what does the Alien eat/consume/incorporate in order to grow so fast?
Aliens has one inconsistency - why does Ripley think there must be an egg layer when she knows the Jockey ship has 100s of eggs?
Prometheus had load of plot holes, loads of nonsense, but overall it didn't completely jank the Alien mythology.
Covenant has load of nonsense but does appear to wreck the whole idea. It's just... dreadful. This makes Prometheus look good.
Nicker on 14/5/2017 at 14:57
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Prometheus was better.
SubJeff - you have made this dreary Sunday, a little sadder. Thank you.
Vivian on 15/5/2017 at 09:44
Yeah, pains me but I have to mostly agree with Sub. It's not dreadful, but it's a long way from a classic, and everything I could recommend about it is fairly conditional. 8 for monsters (there are some decent monster bits, but unfortunately the creatures themselves are treated as very very cheap, disposable macguffins for the most part. No spoilers, but lets just say we're talking way more AvP than Alien here...), maybe a 6 for general stuff, dialogues ok bar a few incredibly lunky recycles of lines from Alien, a -10 for the fucking flute scene (I don't really consider that a spoiler, it's more of a warning - the flute bullshit from prometheus features pretty heavily), a 3 for all the robot karate shit, and a 9 for visual spectacle. So I dunno, it's better than prometheus in a lot of ways, but exactly as frustrating as it in a lot of other ways. 6.5/10.
Also: I'll do the fingering?!! and the waving chestburster? fucking hell man, that's some anakin skywalker-level bullshit right there
Thirith on 15/5/2017 at 14:13
I sometimes think that Scott lucked into the right scripts early in his career. He's a masterful craftsman, and given a good script he's likely to produce a fantastic film - but he seems tone deaf with respect to what makes a good script, and he'll gladly polish a turd to turdy perfection without even understanding that it is still a turd.
Renault on 15/5/2017 at 14:37
And he has 3 more of these things in the works. Wonderful. Which makes me wonder, how are they going to keep doing this? One more "doomed expedition" after another that never gets reported back to Earth?
SubJeff on 15/5/2017 at 18:31
The problem now is he's really going to crap all over the legacy of Alien and Aliens.
The origin of the Aliens was one thing that made them cool as fuck. In Alien the Jockey is transporting something obviouly deemed highly hazardous (there is a high tech 'film' above them to warn of hatches) and I don't really need to know why. It's for Reasons and there are a ton of eggs so it's for Serious Reasons.
I liked the idea behind Prometheus. The Engineers as our origin is a cool idea imho and finding them was exciting. The black goo seemed pretty malleable to me; pluripotent and innately dangerous because of it's ability to Fuck Shit Up if not handled properly. I never saw it as a weapon but, like fire, as a tool. Yeah, we get that it can make Alien-type stuff and is clearly predisposed to engineering a parasite-egg-host dynamic. That was all fine.
This... this craps over even that. Perhaps. It's not clear if |David just discovered the potential for this to make Aliens or if he's developed this in parrallel with others.
It's going to end up with him as the Aliens' creator, which will suck big time. I'd far rather they were just a product of the goo that had cropped up on some other planet secondary to an Engineer Planet Gene Sacrifice, like we saw happened on Earth in Prometheus..
I was disappointed when I left the theatre.
The more I think about it the crapper it gets. There are SO many plot holes and inconsistencies - Where's David's lab? Don't tell me he did genetic engineering in those stone rooms. Since when did Aliens get full size in 10 minutes? Why are the Neomorphs so bullet resistant? Fully grown Xenomorphs aren't that hard! And why do they have acid blood now? Neomorphs don't. Is that supposed to be the Engineer's homeworld? Really? Wait on a moment - are you telling me this incredibly advanced race of millenia shaping universe shapers can't detect one of their own Danger Goo transport ships coming in to dock? They didn't get suspicious when the inevitable communications attempt failed? And there's only 200 of them on their homeworld?
It was okay until a certain explosion. All the sense burnt in that fire.
Pyrian on 15/5/2017 at 20:47
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Since when did Aliens get full size in 10 minutes?Didn't they always do that?
Like, in Alien 1, after chestbursting, the xenomorph kills one person off screen, and in its next scene it's full size. I don't know about ten minutes specifically, but absurdly biology-defyingly fast at least. And then in Prometheus you have the "aborted squid" growing enormous in a few minutes in an empty room, defying not just biology but basic physics.SubJeff on 15/5/2017 at 20:54
Not that fast.
Vivian on 17/5/2017 at 00:04
Yeah, Brett made a cattle prod and Ash made a scanner thing in the time it took to grow up. This happens in between lines of dialogue, no shit. Now I've had time to sit on it a bit, Subj is entirely right. This is not only not that great but it totally fucks with what made Alien great. It's like your favorite uncle having been a pedo. Ridley should be viewed for what he is, someone who made what, two great films? And once his reputation was made and he had autonomy, a bunch of forgettable bollocks. Its obvious how little he cares for having the actual alien in this thing and how much he wants it to be some poorly-thought through shit about androids fingering each other. He barely gives the things any screentime,. Anyway, he's shit, it's pretty shit, he literally described making it as 'turning the crank', and remarkably Event Horizon was a better-made film.
