SubJeff on 4/4/2017 at 18:13
The film being good or bad is kind of separate to the origin of the aliens though disco boy.
Kolya on 4/4/2017 at 18:39
Quote Posted by SubJeff
So the conclusion is you don't know and you're not willing to find out for yourself, but are willing to discount what I'm telling you when i just saw it again.
Par for the course i suppose.
Why do you even interact?
I... did it because I love you! :(
I was going to write that I accept your theory since I don't know where I got the idea from. Which is obviously a weak point to begin with.
But then I thought someone else would confirm or deny soon enough.
Sorry if it sounded like I started an argument and then didn't care for your reply. That's not what I meant.
And I didn't realise that you had just watched it. Sorry.
icemann on 5/4/2017 at 05:30
Ever since Aliens I've heard often it was the Jockey's that made them, but prior to this post I did a quick google search which brought up more questions than answers so meh.
Sulphur on 5/4/2017 at 05:47
Prometheus' opening shows the Engineers using the same pluripotential goo to unmake themselves and seed humanity, which also eventually spawns the alien. Whether the Engineers made the goo is up for debate, but the point is it cheapens the mystery of the original Alien by making everything go 'We're all connected, kumbaya!' in the subtext.
One of the most symbolic and telling scenes in the entire movie is where they open up the Space Jockey's head and find Jason Statham's face in there. Speaks for the movie at large -- we're a bunch of narcissists. I was surprised it didn't just Michael Bay some explosions immediately after that, but to its credit, it took a bit before we got any.
Nicker on 5/4/2017 at 06:07
Quote Posted by SubJeff
So the conclusion is you don't know and you're not willing to find out for yourself...
My conclusion is that the writers and Ridley didn't have a fucking clue themselves, which is why every speculation is as invalid as every other.
icemann on 5/4/2017 at 07:21
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Prometheus' opening shows the Engineers using the same pluripotential goo to unmake themselves and seed humanity, which also eventually spawns the alien. Whether the Engineers made the goo is up for debate, but the point is it cheapens the mystery of the original Alien by making everything go 'We're all connected, kumbaya!' in the subtext.
I'll have to rewatch the movie again at some point, as I remember the jockey swallowing the goo (at the start of the movie), but not about the aliens and humans coming about due to him doing that.
If so, that does indeed answer the question. Sort of. Though why him ingesting the goo would make both I'm lost on. From what I remember of Prometheus,
the android gets a sample of the goo, puts that in one the guys drinks, who in turn sleeps with the female character, who in turn somehow grows the starting form of the xeno's from that, which then (once she gets it cut out of her) turns into a MASSIVE face hugger which gets the jockey, which results in the first xeno. Damn that's a long sequence to get 1 xeno.Sulphur on 5/4/2017 at 07:36
Eh? I'm not saying that the opening scene brings about both humanity and the alien, I'm saying the the movie's pretty clear about humanity coming from the Engineers, and the goo is whatever precursor MacGuffin they needed to do that.
It's the same thing that's used to bring about the alien regardless of tortured gestation cycle, albeit with a human host -- by implication, that means all three share a base genetic compatibility, and the goo can do whatever Lindelof or whomever wanted when they needed it to, including convoluted references to Alien.
icemann on 5/4/2017 at 07:42
Okie dokie.
heywood on 5/4/2017 at 10:16
There's no sense trying to make sense out of nonsense.
It was just a bad movie.
Sulphur on 5/4/2017 at 10:59
I think it's useful in a case like Prometheus, which was very much a matter of good intentions saddled with poor execution as Thirith mentioned earlier.
Not that it's going to help anyone do their day-in day-out better (unless there's secret critics or filmmakers lurking around), but it's helpful to cleanly articulate what works and what doesn't from our subjective frames of reference and find common ground if it's there.
