heywood on 15/3/2017 at 20:50
Aside from a few duds, I would rate most of Schwarzenegger’s action movie output on the same level. I personally liked Predator, Total Recall, and T2 better than Terminator. Maybe even True Lies and Eraser. But I won’t argue that any one is objectively better than the other.
I didn’t think much of Robocop on first watch as a teenager, but I can appreciate it more now because the social commentary underlying the high concept is mostly still relevant. But it doesn’t really stand out in its genre. And it is undeniably 80s.
chk772 on 17/3/2017 at 15:16
Quote Posted by Brethren
So where does the original Predator stand in all this? Another fun movie, but undoubtedly a level or three below the two movies being discussed.
I think it's great actually. Not much worse than Alien. But, that's rather my opinion, than an offspring of anything obective, or, a fact. There's one bad thing in the movie, and that's that Rambo like hackfest, when they bulldoze that guerilla camp, but, apart from that, it's a great film, actually. Terminator is good too, but, as has been mentioned, a bit more B-movie like, and a bit more simple in terms of story, and setting.
I don't understand how you can rate Alien 2 over Alien 1 though. Not even the same league IMO. But, just my 2c.
Renault on 17/3/2017 at 15:58
Alien is maybe more artsy and students would probably love to study it for their thesis, but if I'm going by which movie I've watched more often and just enjoyed more in general, it would have to be Aliens. Guess I can't say exactly why, because they are two very different films.
I did rewatch The Terminator a few nights ago after talking about it here, I still say it's a classic. I just can't give it B-movie status, it seems better than that. It's a fairly serious movie, with no camp or one liners (with one exception), but I suppose it depends on how you define B-movies.
icemann on 17/3/2017 at 17:19
There is actually a few memorable lines in The Terminator:
* Come with me if you want to live
* Fuck you asshole
* Your terminated
* Cop 1 - How do I look?
Cop 2 - Like shit boss
Cop 1 - Yo momma
* In technical terminology, he's a loon.
A few that spring to mind :).
And it's definitely not a B movie. To call it B-Grade is an insult to the movie. B-Grade is Friday the 13th, Halloween, the later sequels to Nightmare on Elm Street (more so after the 3rd movie), Candyman etc etc.
Or for some sci-fi examples - Critters, the blob, Predator 2 (1st movie I wouldn't class as B-Grade), the last starfighter (good movie regardless). I was going to say The Thing, but that movie is just legendary.
Pyrian on 17/3/2017 at 17:22
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I don't understand how you can rate Alien 2 over Alien 1 though. Not even the same league IMO. But, just my 2c.
Different leagues isn't the comparison I'd use; I'd say they're different
sports altogether. And I happen to like one "sport" a whole lot better than the other. I think it's hard for me to even make a fair judgment. People praise Alien for things that fell utterly flat for me; it's just kind of boring for most of its running time.
icemann on 17/3/2017 at 17:32
Same feeling here. Hence why I love the sequel.
This is all opinion at the end of the day. 1 person will love A & C, another will love B & D.
Renault on 17/3/2017 at 19:01
By "one liners" I meant more like cheesy catchphrases, like Hasta La Vista Baby or Let Off Some Steam, Bennett. I think all of these movies we're talking have great lines, solid re-quotable stuff. Especially Aliens.
Vivian on 17/3/2017 at 21:46
Really? I dunno, aliens is a bit dry for that really. Hudson going game over etc, but that's not really got the required levels of camp.
Pyrian on 17/3/2017 at 23:01
Seriously? Some of my favorites:
Quote:
Private Hudson: Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?
Private Vasquez: No. Have you?
Ripley: You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.
Ripley: Hudson! This little girl survived longer than that with no weapons and no training.
[to Newt]
Ripley: Right?
[Newt apes a salute]
Private Hudson: Why don't you put her in charge?
Bishop: Believe me, I'd prefer not to. I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid.
Sergeant Apone: What do you want me to do, fetch your slippers for you?
Private Hudson: Gee, would you, sir? I'd like that.
Private Hudson: Hey, maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but we just got our asses kicked, pal!
Private Hudson: Is this gonna be a standup fight, sir, or another bug hunt?
Private Frost: What the hell are we supposed to use, man, harsh language?
Corporal Hicks: I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit.
[looks to Ripley]
Corporal Hicks: It's the only way to be sure.
Bishop: I'm afraid I have some bad news.
Private Hudson: Well, that's a switch.
Newt: Ripley, she doesn't have bad dreams because she's just a piece of plastic.
Med Tech: Do you want something to help you sleep?
Ripley: No, I've slept enough.
Burke: I work for the company. But don't let that fool you. I'm really an OK guy.
It's weird to think of just how many outright clichés that this movie generated.
Neb on 17/3/2017 at 23:24
Along with drop-ships in sci-fi video games for YEARS! It's what the devs call a 'Shake 'n Bake'.
