Cipheron on 5/2/2024 at 14:03
Quote Posted by demagogue
UBI is part of a capitalist system. Nobody is saying Alaska is a communist state.
Yeah, social security and welfare systems are only something that exist under a capitalist system, since they rely on a pool of unemployed people existing that can create a "labor market". There will need to be hand-outs to prevent starvation, total deprivation, ghettos forming.
Communist nations barely even had welfare systems by comparison. This became a problem when communism broke up in place like Russia since there were almost no actual government agencies responsible for making sure people could eat.
Under Soviet communism - everyone worked. It was guaranteed employment, not a guaranteed government check. So instead of welfare you'd be assign to some government-owned corporation and that corporation was completely responsible for what they did with you. So there was simply no need for a separate welfare system.
PigLick on 5/2/2024 at 14:06
I'm honestly concerned about what tech is being used for war and sex?
heywood on 5/2/2024 at 14:54
Azaran is right. The first people who will get rich from UBI are current property owners, especially owners of low income housing. The same people will be competing for the same housing stock, with more money in their pocket. UBI would just shift the demand curve up. It could also turn being a slum lord into big business, so I expect current rental property owners to sell out, enjoy a major windfall, and then big rental property management companies will take over and extract every dollar they can from UBI. There will still be good housing and bad housing, people will still be priced out of where they want to live, and there will still be homeless.
It could have a similar effect on prices of anything else with inelastic demand.
heywood on 5/2/2024 at 15:03
Quote Posted by Cipheron
Yeah, social security and welfare systems are only something that exist under a capitalist system, since they rely on a pool of unemployed people existing that can create a "labor market". There will need to be hand-outs to prevent starvation, total deprivation, ghettos forming.
Communist nations barely even had welfare systems by comparison. This became a problem when communism broke up in place like Russia since there were almost no actual government agencies responsible for making sure people could eat.
Under Soviet communism - everyone worked. It was guaranteed employment, not a guaranteed government check. So instead of welfare you'd be assign to some government-owned corporation and that corporation was completely responsible for what they did with you. So there was simply no need for a separate welfare system.
So state housing for everyone isn't a welfare system? They had ill & disabled people too, and pensioners, and students. Even some homeless.
DuatDweller on 5/2/2024 at 16:04
Homeless people out there in the cold - Cº 30, 40, 50 degrees, I don't know for how long they could last.
Nicker on 5/2/2024 at 19:06
Quote Posted by PigLick
I'm honestly concerned about what tech is being used for war and sex?
HINT: It's ALL of them! Try to keep up ;)
heywood on 5/2/2024 at 21:33
Quote Posted by DuatDweller
Homeless people out there in the cold - Cº 30, 40, 50 degrees, I don't know for how long they could last.
Homeless shelters, rail stations, underground tunnels, churches, community centers, abandoned buildings, hospitals, wherever they can find heat where they won't get kicked out. Like every other northern place in the world. Russia has fewer homeless than most, but every big city has a homeless population.
mxleader on 6/2/2024 at 00:43
Quote Posted by PigLick
I'm honestly concerned about what tech is being used for war and sex?
Anytime there is new imaging technology one of the first uses is for sex. AI art would be no different.
Drone technology started out as fun toys and now they are being used to fight on the battle field and sink ships. What will that look like when it's controlled by AI? Pretty scary.
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Pyrian on 6/2/2024 at 01:10
Russia specifically built up centralized heating infrastructure, where water is heated in a central building and piped out to homes and businesses. Lots of opportunities in that system to find some warmth in a nook by a pipe.
mxleader on 6/2/2024 at 03:52
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Russia specifically built up centralized heating infrastructure, where water is heated in a central building and piped out to homes and businesses. Lots of opportunities in that system to find some warmth in a nook by a pipe.
Chernobyl is still kinda warm in places.