Sulphur on 2/2/2024 at 15:49
Quote Posted by Azaran
Yeah this is what we used to think decades ago, but AI got too smart. Now for that to become closer to possible, we'll need to come up with fully functional androids that can take human menial labour (retail, unskilled positions, etc).
That's a little removed from our current reality. We don't have 'AI' that is 'too smart' in the year of our lord 2024, at least not in any publicly available capacity beyond being really good at chess or mahjong, and not with any real ability to interface and replace swathes of the supply chain in a human workplace. What we have is machines that can do calculations and repetitive jobs faster than a human being can, or a very fancy set of statistical models trained to remix input libraries without reasoning processes attached to them. Of course, the latter is being worked upon as we speak, but even then what their applicability will be in all spheres of human endeavour is an open question that will be determined by their capability sets. It's certainly not something that's going to be perfected very soon, but soon-ish we'll have general assistants that simulate the ability to reason as the first wave, sure.
And yeah, good tweet, but as far as I see it, what we have right now in LLMs is very efficient ways to increase information entropy and the baseline level of pap in our media to irresponsible levels more than replacing art wholesale as a reflection of human experience.
DuatDweller on 2/2/2024 at 20:38
Mr. Mahathey is teaching his students ancient history with the help of Assassins Creed Odyssey.
Could any AI do that?
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https://www.unilad.com/news/tiktok/teacher-classroom-assassins-creed-students-149862-20240201)
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The teacher has now gone viral on TikTok after he uploaded footage playing Assassin’s Creed in an effort to teach his class history.
If you're wondering why he opted for the popular game, that's because there are many references to key points such as Ancient Egypt and American Revolution within the game play.
Social Studies teacher Mr Mahathey played Assassin’s Creed Odyssey to show off The Battle of Thermopylae as a way to educate his students about Greece, which definitely grabbed their interest.
Mr Mahathey can be seen showing the kids the location and explaining: “So, right there, that’s going to be the entrance to Thermopylae. That’s a very narrow passageway in order for the Persians and the Greeks to fight.”
Vae on 4/2/2024 at 09:50
This is what the “AGI means we need UBI” crowd gets wrong.
Capitalism has a lot of built-in mechanisms (e.g. comparative advantage, deflation, prices going to zero as supply approaches infinity) that makes it spontaneously offer something that’s UBI-like, without the communism.
Pyrian on 4/2/2024 at 16:53
Capitalism may provide free-ish e-mail and generative AI, but it isn't showing any signs of providing free food or shelter (nevermind healthcare lol), so insofar as it's "UBI-like" it is also totally and utterly useless at taking the place of UBI.
Nicker on 4/2/2024 at 17:44
Quote Posted by Vae
This is what the “AGI means we need UBI” crowd gets wrong.
Capitalism has a lot of built-in mechanisms (e.g. comparative advantage, deflation, prices going to zero as supply approaches infinity) that makes it spontaneously offer something that’s UBI-like, without the communism.
"Gets wrong?"
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Robber Barons, Sparky. It's all about concentration of wealth and power, not the greater good. Do you think Jeff Bezos wants to fully automate Amazon so his minions can have rich, fulfilling lives? Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!
Self-regulating capitalism? Where do you kids get this fantasy bullshit from?
The only thing stopping money grubbing, predatory sociopaths... I mean, capitalists... from replacing their human workforce, is supply and demand. They need a supply of moderately solvent peasants to demand their warehouses full of crap, which requires an army of (probably brown skinned) off-shore serfs to produce.
But don't worry, as moderately solvent peasants, our place in the scheme is safe for now. However the serf can safely be replaced by robots and eventually starved out of their misery. Such is the charity of the .01%
demagogue on 4/2/2024 at 17:50
UBI is part of a capitalist system. Nobody is saying Alaska is a communist state.
Nicker on 4/2/2024 at 18:19
I am probably misunderstanding you but what makes UBI a capitalist feature? Surely it's a concept that can exist, by that name or another, in several economic and political structures. In a sense it is definitive of pure communism (to each according to their need) but it is not excusive to it.
demagogue on 4/2/2024 at 21:13
It might be. I could have said it can be consistent with a capitalist system, but I took the tack of meaning the one UBI program that currently actually exists in the world is part of a capitalist system, Alaska state's program. (Alaska's program isn't UBI, though, it's just on the way. There are a lot of little edits or caveats to make to make the overall point.)
If you push me though, I don't believe a truly communist system would be able to have the economic efficiency to sustain a UBI program, and it would require a capitalist system to work sustainably. But that would take more space to argue out than I want to here, and I wouldn't say it definitely, only there are considerations worth thinking about in that direction in thinking about how to plan or design a system that could work in the real world.
Nicker on 4/2/2024 at 21:48
Oh. I wasn't aware that Alaska had a UBI. Well done. It makes special sense that the USA (or any country - are you listening, Canada?) should supplement those living on the frontier. If you want your flag waving in the hinterland, pitch in to make it happen.
As far as Communism actually delivering on its promises, I agree that it cannot. But I feel the same about all the ...isms. The problem is, IMO, that any ...ism quickly gets gamed by crooks. Free-for-all Capitalism is just as prone to abuse. Under Communism, crooked politicians control business while under Capitalism, crooked business men control government. And both do so through manipulating the law. So no real difference in actuality.
Starker on 5/2/2024 at 01:15
I don't know if there's no real difference... capitalism at least we know that it functions and we have a robust idea when and where it doesn't. Communism has never even been tried in its "workers control the means of the production" form. To me it seems a lot like libertarianist fantasies where a lot of utopian assumptions are made about human nature but in reality it all falls apart really quickly. In theory, any idealised hypothetical system can work better than capitalism, but the real pudding is getting it to work with humans with all their flaws and ambitions.