june gloom on 2/4/2013 at 01:11
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
So, you came back to this thread to contribute *THAT*?!?!
Yes, yes I did.
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
Association fallacy.
I fail to see how.
And anyway, his claim is that achievements literally make games less fun. His "evidence" such as it is is weak and unfounded, based entirely on a hypothesis running counter to established behaviour -- that people only play games for the achievements, which is ludicrous. People play games for the games. The whole "rewards" thing is nonsense because the achievements
reward absolutely nothing. Even if you temper the argument by claiming that though it is not happening now it
might happen, the argument then becomes a slippery slope fallacy.
jtr7 on 2/4/2013 at 01:22
Quote Posted by Briareos H
achievements can suck my cock
That explains why you think they are great. :o
Briareos H on 2/4/2013 at 07:46
Don't complain to me! That's a thread/poll by Vae. The guy writes his stuff so badly and loaded that at least someone has to be contrary just to spite him.
Anyway here's a way to make achievements instantly a million times better: don't display them until the end of the level (the old "if you're doing things to reinforce my immersion and allow me to play pretend, why are you at the same time flashing gamified stuff in my face all the time?. ARE YOU BIPOLAR?") and, as importantly, do not write a list. Do not publish a list. Do not give a list to Microsoft (oh the achievement list is mandatory for certification? Tough luck then eh!) Stupid achievements like "knock out 10-20-50 guards" will be self-evident; more interesting and arcane achievements will either be found by accident or because of internet discussions, people will make their own lists and talk about your game, if your achievements are well-written, there'll even be new discoveries weeks after release.
There: motivation to play, replay and talk about the game online plus no breach of immersion. Never gonna happen.
SuicideMachine on 2/4/2013 at 11:28
Of course there should be achievements. It's only a matter of how dumb they should be.
Out of place grind achievements like - kill X guards, etc. certainly have no place in Thiefhonored.
But... finish a game without killing anybody. Find a secret room in mission X. A hidden object. Save person X in mission Y.
Why the hell not? In fact games like Thief have a huge potential to benefit from achievements... of course - there is a worry, that these achievements can break immersion and/or atmosphere, so they should be planned very carefully.
But if they can reward me for stealing something I would normally wouldn't steal, doing some additional objectives, I wouldn't normally do or finding a cool easter egg - then I'm all for it.
Dia on 3/4/2013 at 02:20
Achievements?! In a Thief game?! This isn't frakkin' FO3 or New Vegas or even DX:HR!
oH WATE .....
Maybe it is and we just don't know it yet.
I've read/seen/heard enough and am going to bed. Maybe this T4 'news' will all have been just a bad dream.
A REALLY, REALLY bad dream.
(Don't misunderstand: FO3, New Vegas & DX:HR were excellent games in their own right .... but they weren't Thief.)
:(
june gloom on 3/4/2013 at 02:32
Achievements are in every game that costs more than $20 to make these days, why is it even an issue? Just ignore them.
TTK12G3 on 3/8/2013 at 17:41
We knew this day would come. All of those things that Thief players did like piling KO's servants into lewd positions and stacking crates until you hit the skybox...
What type of achievements do you think are going to be in the game? I don't mean the obvious ones like a ghost run or something banal like spending all of the money you got from the stuff you looted. Absurd you-can-find-it-only-by-looking-at-the-wiki-or-by-accident achievements are welcome.
My ideas:
1. Say hi to Benny - Listen to every Benny conversation.
2. Alcoholic enabler - Pawn every bottle of fine alcohol you find in the game.
3. Exorcist - Put 25 undead to permanent rest.
4. Arbitrator - Resolve the lords' dispute your way.
5. Show-off - Perform five headshots within five seconds with a full upgraded bow.
jtbalogh on 3/8/2013 at 19:02
A snapshot can be taken to show the lewd positions and crates. How do you snapshot your 5 ideas so we can enjoy what you are sharing with us?
Goldmoon Dawn on 3/8/2013 at 19:07
Well, number 5 on his list is just begging for a 5 second video clip. :p
Renault on 3/8/2013 at 19:35
6. Rope-a-rama: Shoot all 5 rope arrow hot spots in the level.
7. Jump King: Press X at all 10 predetermined jumping spots in the mission.
8. Focus Pocus: Complete an entire mission using only the Focus superpower.
9. Beatdown: Take on every guard in the level at the same time and live to tell about it.
10. Baronenema: Shoot a water arrow straight up the Baron's ass.
