Return0 on 15/8/2002 at 20:36

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Red-

"HAHAHA thats impossible" you might say.
"It can't be done! But wait you say you did it. How can this be?"
Well I say it can be done my fine feathered friend and here's how- :sly:
This may take awhile- your questions require some damn extensive answers but out of the kindness of my heart and the total lack of anything better to do I will humbly answer all of your inquiries.

First off Let me say that I have already finished the game once and that I play on X-Box and that anyone can do what I did. I just did this because I thought it would be challenging /fun cause the game was REAL easy the first time around.

Second off getting the ring of Khajiit makes everything (especially running and stealing) a hell of a-lot easier for any level 1 character and can easily be done at level 1.


A. Any level one character can steal stuff, Any level 1 character can sell stuff to the talking mudcrab, and make $$. <-- This is what I did my first time around I would steal some valuable stuff use the RoK to turn invisible and run away! Sell the goods, train, and repeat. This can be very tedious and time consuming so this time I took a shortcut/cheated. Spoiler- [SPOILER]I just went (very first thing I did) straight to Ree' Jah an Argonian Slave lost in the fire pit area west of Ursilasjdfjseoifjwnvsoidgfsalndviasdhgoi Camp told him I would rescue him, executed him, and went back to his owner in Tel Ahrun and received the reward for his example, then I received it again, and again......... MMMMM sure is nice to have 500,000 drakes![/SPOILER]

B. You can soul trap a Golden Saint that you summon. Ain’t it great, not exactly the best way to show appreciation for them appearing on such short notice but hey- it works. You can buy the summon GS spell from a guy in Tel Branora. Pocket change, with all the money I had at that point, really. And since by now I had ------
1) gotten the ring of Khajiit
2) visited Qorwynn in Indoranon Stronghold-turned invisible- bribed her disposition to 100/100- and trained my enchant to 100
3) Raised my Int to over 1000 -if you need me to explain how to do this ask ME later cause it takes so long to explain. [SPOILER]created items that would TEMP raise my int. 50,75,100 pts each for some seconds to a total of about 1050. [/SPOILER]
4)Picked up Azura's Star, [SPOILER] killing Stradda was BY FAR the hardest thing that I had done at that point with a gimpy little lvl 1 and I would say the hardest thing I have ever had to do in the game.[/SPOILER]
I could then turn a plain old extravagant ring into a new "Golden Saints Call" which summons a GS for 30 seconds on self and then also turn another plain old extravagant ring into a "Vampiric Stone" which could Absorb Health 50 pts on target both with 100% success rate. then just summon a GS and cast soul trap on it and then use the Vampiric stone to keep you alive while it becomes dead. wow I think that I just finished my first tutorial on enchanting. :D

C. Whoops I just answered that question.

D. Good the questions are getting easier. Don’t Sleep= No level Gain. 'Nuff said.

E. Yup. [SPOILER] this required a lot of items that I could enchant namely clothing. you just enchant stuff that raises your -insert desired attribute here- for a few seconds and then make a bunch more and then you have a certain attribute or skill(if you complete the Morag Tong sanguine quest and receive the spell from Eno or Enu or whatever his name was) so with an int of 1000 you can make a bunch of stuff that fortifies your enchant 100 pts for a few seconds (you can also do this with a high alchemy skill and int. i.e. make retardely powerful potions.) and the charge of your Absorb health ring is 1/400 so ya got 400 shots to shoot as his freaky lookin dome. not bad if I do say so my self![/SPOILER]
:sly:
-Overall it took some work, was a little challenging and different and fun, and was a totally different gaming experience than the first time around. So ya got any more questions wise Guy?
:sly:

Red on 16/8/2002 at 08:43

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Return0 -

Ha! Yes well you explained yourself quite well but to be honest I approached your claim through my own eyes. What i mean is i'd never try to achieve something by exploiting a bug in the game for my own nefearious ends to me it's just the same as cheating and I'd feel i couldn't rightly claim to have achieved my objective.

Also in regards to this to me means you did indeed level up - you got the rest immediately message - whether you acted on the message or not is irellavent IMHO.

It does seem you can claim that you killed vivec at level one but to be honest you shouldn't be surprised if people accuse you of cheating (exploitation of a game bug). Also there is no such number as ONE POINT TEN so once your level went over 1.9 you can't claim to be at level 1.

Anway a great read thanks for the time and effort you put into writing such a large post. :D :p ;)



Maxskills please don't imply i'm an idiot or i'm a know-it-all - i'm not and i don't like it when people slag me off to the world for asking legitamate questions to someone who claims the extrodinary.

Red on 16/8/2002 at 11:59

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Very true and i'm not suggesting you didn't achieve what you stated - you did and i was wrong.

My intention in my post was to highlight how i would never of expected you'd use games bugs to achieve your aims - because i wouldn't have and as such it never came into my mind when asking you the original questions.

In my opinion then you 'cheated' to achieve your aims please note that's my definition of cheating as i'm quite a rigid player i class abusing bugs as 'cheating'.



Why am i being an idiot? As stated above all i was trying to say was you didn't manage to kill Vivec through a 'legitamte' way - you exploited a known game bug - when you first stated that you had killed him at level 1 I ASSUMED (and thusly my fault) that you were playing 'fair'.

I'm sorry if some how i've upset you by accusing you of cheating but in my opinion you didn't kill vivec legitamtely at level 1 and as such i'm not going to pat you on the back and say well done... :erg:

Red on 16/8/2002 at 16:01

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Did you summon them straight away or did you wait until Vivec had finished using his spells?

It would be quite funny seeing Vivec knock out a Golden Saint and then pummel it on the ground. :D

Red on 16/8/2002 at 18:16

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To be honest i don't know what your problem is with me replying to you -

- You said you killed Vivec at level 1.

- i asked you some legitamate questions about how you did it.

- you answer me and reveal you managed it by abusing a known game bug and not sleeping when you could to level up.

- I reply that i didn't realise that you were cheating - it didn't occur to me that you would claim such a thing and then reveal you cheated.

- you tried to justify your cheating by saying you've spent time collecting and selling items in a previous game and then call me an idiot.

- i reply wondering why you've bothered bringing up events of some other character you've played and air my dissapointment at your initial deception - not clarifying that you cheated to kill vivic at level 1.

- you get all up set (presumbly because you don't like the fact that i've accused you of cheating) start insulting me even more...



By the way i was interested on how you'd legitamately killed vivic at level 1 but seen as you cheated i was dissapointed at your deception.



I'd like to point out that not once have i had a go at you or called you names or otherwise tried to offend you but on the other hand it seems to me you've tried your best to verbally attack me - thats very sad in my opinion and not warrented.

I think you need to take some of your own advice and "Lighten up :sly:"

Thanks :)