fett on 1/6/2009 at 20:56
It's such a shame it takes a death to finally start an abortion debate on ttlg. :)
Vivian on 1/6/2009 at 21:04
regardless of how they're born or raised? Blimey, I hope you never get put in charge of anything even approaching social policy, you idiot
Displacer on 1/6/2009 at 21:07
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Oooooooh, buuuurn.
Displacer, it doesn't matter what you have done for another person if your views on things are just wrong. You aren't just valuing your own life over that of a child, but your responsibilities (possibly to other children) and you relationships with other people.
Or do people who have children they need to support have a get out clause? What about people who help other people every day? Do we then put values on people and cherry pick who can and who can't have a life saving abortion?
Other cases where late abortion is acceptable under most laws are where the child will have severe disabilities. What do you think about that? Wait don't answer, it'll likely be dumb as crap but actually go on - surprise us.
Well under that logic you are making a decision that not only is your own life worth more, but those of your other children. You're just splitting hairs here. I'm quite sure that if you were to die in childbirth your other children would not be thrown out into the street to die a slow miserable death. I'm not debating the fact that being in that situation would be horrible, but it would be the hand you were dealt. The fact that it sucks does not change the fact you are choosing your own life over your child's.
Glad you asked that question. We care for our granddaughter who has downs syndrome. I've never seen another child who is more full of life, and loves life as much as her. Looking at her and the thought that there are so many callous people in this world that consider her disposable, and that she should have been aborted makes me sick. And if you think I'm making that shit up I'll pm you my phone number and you can talk to her yourself.
Random_Taffer on 1/6/2009 at 21:12
Quote Posted by Vivian
regardless of how they're born or raised?
Yes. It does not necessarily mean that they'll end up a bad person. There might be a better chance of it, but who can guarantee that they will end up bad?
Muzman on 1/6/2009 at 21:15
Quote Posted by Displacer
We care for our granddaughter who has downs syndrome. I've never seen another child who is more full of life, and loves life as much as her. Looking at her and the thought that there are so many callous people in this world that consider her disposable, and that she
should have been aborted makes me sick.
Curious choice of words.
What do they do, shout things at you in the street? Fuddy duddies recoil at the sight of you at the shops murmuring "And they let that live. Goodness gracious"?
SubJeff on 1/6/2009 at 21:16
Quote Posted by Displacer
but it would be the hand you were dealt.
No it would be the hand that you chose.
People have the right to choice about some things, just like you did with the kidney donation, just like your kids did with the birth of their daughter. Besides, I'm not talking about Down's Syndrome. In the grand scheme of things it is a minor disability and the range of effects it can have is vast. One of my friends has Down's Syndrome and he is a soldier in the regular army.
Furthermore do you realise that taking away a woman's right to choose whether to bear a child to term is the thin end of a very scary wedge? I don't suppose you've thought about that.
Vivian on 1/6/2009 at 21:19
Quote Posted by Random_Taffer
Yes. It does not necessarily mean that they'll end up a bad person. There might be a better chance of it, but who can guarantee that they will end up bad?
nice backpeddle
Random_Taffer on 1/6/2009 at 21:28
I was throwing you a bone. Evidently, I missed. Sorry, I'll aim lower next time.
Displacer on 1/6/2009 at 21:31
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
No it would be the hand that you chose.
People have the right to choice about some things, just like you did with the kidney donation, just like your kids did with the birth of their daughter. Besides, I'm not talking about Down's Syndrome. In the grand scheme of things it is a minor disability and the range of effects it can have is vast. One of my friends has Down's Syndrome and he is a soldier in the regular army.
Furthermore do you realise that taking away a woman's right to choose whether to bear a child to term is the thin end of a very scary wedge? I don't suppose you've thought about that.
First off I'm not trying to bust your ass about this, its a touchy subject and I know that.
The hand you were dealt would be referring to the fact you were placed in a situation that forced you into making that choice. Making the decision to sacrifice the child to save your own skin is the actual choice.
I won't get into a pissing match about a woman's "right to choose". In my personal opinion a child's life should not be a choice. Again its just splitting hairs by saying its not a life until its born. If you can look at a ultrasound and say what you are seeing is not a real life, then you have more problems than can be solved on a forum. That's just my opinion, which has nothing to do with the other issue.
Renault on 1/6/2009 at 21:34
I'm still surprised (even shocked) at how supposedly religious people can actually celebrate when someone is murdered. How is this not just completely hypocritical? Maybe they should ask themselves, how would Jesus feel? I just don't get this, and never will.
I also think that the argument that "women shouldn't be told what to do with their bodies" is faulty. That's like saying, "I should be able to pump heroin or cocaine into it, it's not hurting anyone else." Or, "why can't I sell my kidney on ebay?" Sorry, that's just not the way it works (nor should it be).
