nicked on 4/6/2009 at 07:51
Bill Hicks ftw
Thirith on 4/6/2009 at 08:02
Quote Posted by Morte
Rape exemptions and fertility clinics are a good litmus test for the "the fetus is a real human being with all the rights a real baby has" spiel. If you balk at denying a couple children, or forcing someone to carry their rapist's baby to term, then you don't actually believe that a clump of cells are worth as much as a real person, and should stop spewing that bullshit.
Just wanted to weigh in to say thank you, Morte, for putting it succinctly and calling out the quoted hypocrisy.
Matthew on 4/6/2009 at 10:31
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
You can argue all you want but causing an abortion by whatever means at any stage in pregnancy will not land a woman in trouble with the law in many countries. I can't argue for everywhere, but this is certainly true in the UK and from what Starr says the US.
Mmm, abortion is still illegal in Northern Ireland.
DDL on 4/6/2009 at 10:47
Yeah but NI is mental.
Starrfall on 4/6/2009 at 13:19
Quote Posted by Matthew
Mmm, abortion is still illegal in Northern Ireland.
He's not saying it's legal, he's making the point that the statutes don't punish the mothers, just the doctors. Ours typically say "any physician who performs an abortion under circumstances XYZ shall be fined X dollars and/or imprisoned for X years" and then include something like this: "Nothing in this Act may be construed to subject the pregnant mother upon whom any abortion is performed or attempted to any criminal conviction and penalty."
If NI penalizes mothers who get illegal abortions it'll be the first western government I've seen that does so.
Queue on 4/6/2009 at 13:30
Quote Posted by Kaleid
More Religious and Devout Young Women Have Abortions
Despite being educated in religious schools
That's because they are mostly little whores.
I love this whole nonsense that good churchies are supposed to go forth and propagate like weeds, yet sex is a naughty taboo which good-folks don't talk about and thoughts of which will cause them to burn in hell. BUT, make sure you have lots of sex so you can make more good, happy,
coffer stuffers congregation members--just don't enjoy it, or else baby Jesus will catch the gout. No wonder these kids are fucked up and will stick anything in 'em when they can.
SubJeff on 4/6/2009 at 18:15
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
You can argue all you want but causing an abortion by whatever means at any stage in pregnancy will not land a woman in trouble with the law in
many countries.
Quote Posted by Matthew
Mmm, abortion is still illegal in Northern Ireland.
Many != all.
Matthew on 4/6/2009 at 19:04
Quote Posted by Starrfall
He's not saying it's legal, he's making the point that the statutes don't punish the mothers, just the doctors. Ours typically say "any physician who performs an abortion under circumstances XYZ shall be fined X dollars and/or imprisoned for X years" and then include something like this: "Nothing in this Act may be construed to subject the pregnant mother upon whom any abortion is performed or attempted to any criminal conviction and penalty."
If NI penalizes mothers who get illegal abortions it'll be the first western government I've seen that does so.
In Northern Ireland the situation is still covered by the Offences Against the Person Act 1861, which states in section 58 that 'Every woman, being with child, who, with intent to procure her own miscarriage ... and whosoever, with intent to procure the miscarriage of any woman, whether she be or be not with child ... shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable . . . to be kept in penal servitude for life'. To my knowledge that section has never been repealed or amended where it applies to Northern Ireland.
Now, whether the statute is
enforced is another matter, but that is the law.
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Many != all.
No, you said 'this is certainly true in the UK'. It is
not true in NI, which is part of the UK.
DDL on 4/6/2009 at 19:12
Yeah, but it's like the ugly retarded child in the basement. Everyone knows it's part of the UK, but everyone tries hard to forget it even exists.
