A small matter to discuss... - by Cobra189
L'elen on 12/12/2003 at 07:01
My point would be...who cares what some american law says about children in games...
it's not like most of the world lives in america or anything..
96% of the world's population are not affected by this law, so why should game writers take account of it...admittedly a lot of games sell in the US....but so do a lot in Japan, where it is illegal to depict full frontal nudity of any kind that has pubic hair in it...
Yet you do see games released with that kind of nudity in.....basically, if the rednecks that hold sway in the US want to ban child killing in video games, fine. Let them. All game developers need to do is release the normal version of the game for the world, then a censored, politcally correct version of the game for the states....
End of problem.
Though I do find it a little hypocritical that in a country where a 9 year old child (if he had the money and parental consent (or forged parental consent...this has happened) ) can go and buy up to 10 M16 A1 5.56 mm Assault Rifles, one 9mm Glock, up to 10 FN FAL 7.62mm (NATO) assault rifles, one 7.6mm Walther PPK hand pistol, and a shotgun, all in one go, (in certain states), a freely consenting adult cannot shoot a child-depiction charachter in a video game......
BlackCapedManX on 12/12/2003 at 22:39
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Though I do find it a little hypocritical that in a country where a 9 year old child (if he had the money and parental consent (or forged parental consent...this has happened) ) can go and buy up to 10 M16 A1 5.56 mm Assault Rifles, one 9mm Glock, up to 10 FN FAL 7.62mm (NATO) assault rifles, one 7.6mm Walther PPK hand pistol, and a shotgun, all in one go, (in certain states),
Except for those whole "No gun sales to minors" (though who follows that rule?) and "no sales of fully automatic weapons to civilians" laws. And no one uses the M16 A1 any more man! No forward asist, what were they thinking when they made that? (The FAL is a bit dated too, you can definately get something more reliable and newer than that).
L'elen on 15/12/2003 at 12:16
certain states, that i true..
but in Arkansas, for instance, you can (they might have changed in the last year, if so sorry) buy any ex-military firearm going, from an M16, right up to an Anti-Aircraft battery......and that wasn't limited to adults...
Hence why I mentioned these rather outdated weapons...
I agree about the M16....the entire series is a perfect example of the reason why "deisgn-by-comittee" doesn't work.
Dito, the british armed forces SA-80 system (to name some of: the L-85, the L-98, the LSW) is a perfect example of design-by-beaurocracy doesn't work either.
The FN-FAL is a little dated, but this does not take away from the fact it is a superb weapon, and the SLR (the british armed forces variant) is a much better weapon than the SA-80 system......the fact it is old doesn't mean you can't keep rolling them off the production line...for further evidence of this, american readers need only look to the M1911 series...(aka the Colt-45 automatic series), so called, because it was first designed in 1911.....it is still in issue in certain sectors.
BlackCapedManX on 15/12/2003 at 19:42
I will agree that Fabrique Nationale is an excelent weapon production company, but the FAL is just plain old man, 1946, that's really old. Out of old assault rifles, the one which received the test by time better than any others is with no doubt the AK 47, one of the reasons it's still in production world wide. I wasn't complaining about the whole M16 series, just the A1. After the vietnam war someone realized that sticking near untrained troops with a fully automatic weapon that didn't have the easiest way to remove jams was a bad idea (maybe it was from the 50000 rounds to one dead enemy ratio for basic troops). Thus the A2 comes with a forward assist and removed the full auto function in favor of the 3-round burst.
SA-80, I can't argue with you there. Plagued from the beginning with problems and still an overall poor weapon after it's upgrade, it was pretty much just a bad idea.
I will also agree with your point on the M1911, which is still a fine weapon today (though other pistols chambered for the .45 round such as the usp are in no way poorer weapons than the M1911).
Goggleboy on 15/12/2003 at 21:18
Funny, the US is the only industrialized nation in the world that still allows capital punishment to apply to minors. So apparently in real life it's okay, but game violence BAD!!
I can think of a better example than Fallout 2. What about Black & White? It's given a "Teen" rating here in the US and is more recent than the Civilization games. Nothing stops you from roasting, crushing, electrocuting, drowning, throwing, or using children as creature food. In fact the game REWARDS you for sacrificing them on your altar instead of adults since they're actually worth more points!
