scumble on 9/4/2007 at 08:30
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
"love is a cause of war" amounts to the same thing as "war is necessary to preserve the freedom to love"
And secondly, cheap shot or not, I was offended that you can sit there and tell us all what a terrible thing war is when you more than anyone should understand how necessary it is.
This is my final post on the matter as I have no wish to get into a debate over such a stupid thing.
You're starting to sound like a neocon these days.
Spitter on 9/4/2007 at 09:32
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
And secondly, cheap shot or not, I was offended that you can sit there and tell us all what a terrible thing war is when you more than anyone should understand how necessary it is.
what the fuck charles
d0om on 9/4/2007 at 10:29
is it just me or does the work "neocon" sound like some sort of undead beast?
Fascist on 9/4/2007 at 10:52
Quote Posted by d0om
is it just me or does the work "neocon" sound like some sort of undead beast?
More like an undead robot. :erg:
Convict on 9/4/2007 at 13:44
Quote Posted by scumble
You're starting to sound like a neocon these days.
Yes, I'd been thinking that too lately. :weird:
*Zaccheus* on 9/4/2007 at 14:03
As others have already pointed out, that picture is totally euro-centric.
Quote Posted by aguywhoplaysthief
I think you've missed a vital point that this illustration makes, whether intentional or not: love is a cause of war (and one could argue, the only cause?).
I'd say greed and fear, actually.
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
I was offended that you can sit there and tell us all what a terrible thing war is when you more than anyone should understand how necessary it is.
As a (half) german I know how utterly
unnecessary war can be.
If someone asks "Do you want total war" you should scream "NO".
Krenim on 9/4/2007 at 14:16
Quote Posted by Gestalt
It's pretty neat. Anybody know who the artist is, and where it came from?
Milo Manara.
SD on 9/4/2007 at 15:15
Quote Posted by scumble
You're starting to sound like a neocon these days.
Oh please. Because I say war is sometimes a necessity I'm a neocon? Or are you basing this on something else? Perhaps I inadvertently advocated nuking Iran in another thread, or maybe I accidentally stated somewhere that we should ban all Muslim immigration?
War will always be necessary because people will always be assholes. It's nice to utter trite, hackneyed phrases like "make love, not war" but deep down nobody can seriously believe that shit - especially those people from countries who elected odious regimes that could only be removed by war. That doesn't make me a neocon, just a realist.
Quote Posted by Convict
Yes, I'd been thinking that too lately. :weird:
And you can sod off too :thumb:
Chimpy Chompy on 9/4/2007 at 15:55
Well it seems quite clear to me that war is sometimes needed to deal with crazy aggressors. However that's not mutually exclusive with the sentiment "war is a terrible thing".
Quote:
"love is a cause of war" amounts to the same thing as "war is necessary to preserve the freedom to love"
I'm not sure about that. A leader of a tribe could be driven to war by passionate desires that go beyond any freedoms we might say a member of society is entitled to. Like, I dunno, love for another king's wife. Or desire for his land.
But it would be helpful if aguy could clarify on that point.
Muzman on 9/4/2007 at 16:04
The picture looks more like its saying; rape and murder is the engine of culture, but check out the threads you can get!
