OrbWeaver on 11/9/2007 at 18:06

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So you basically think that sitting around boo-hooing about a tragic event is preferable to actually standing up and trying to make a difference?

There are few groups of people I find more nauseating than the bleating emotionalists who congratulate themselves for their "empathy" while contributing nothing of any value.

Rug Burn Junky on 11/9/2007 at 18:32

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I didn't mean being there, although, that alone was hard enough. I still carry the bandana that enabled me to breathe when the second tower collapsed. I still get the occasional chill when I hear an airplane fly low in NYC.

But that's trivial. I watched it, I was a witness far too close for my own comfort, and I feared for my life in the most visceral way that day. I lived the aftermath, walking the Brooklyn Heights Promenade regularly and looking out at the smoking skyline. But that's not why I remember it.

I don't remember September 11 for that day itself. I remember it for the weeks that followed, literally finding out who lived and died amongst your friends and acquaintances. I remember it for the hundreds of phone calls that I made and received. I remember it, because, for a short period of time, I really, honestly thought all of my friends had survived.

I remember it, because I can still picture that second phone call I got from my friend Karen, telling me that our friend Marina hadn't made it out safely, when we all thought that she had.

I remember it because she pops up again and again in my college photo album. I remember it because when I cleaned out my apartment earlier this year, I found the card she had given me for my wedding.

I remember it because I miss her, and I don't need the media or anyone else to tell me that.

Foubister on 11/9/2007 at 19:43

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Don't make assumptions about what I think. I do stand up and try to make a difference. Of course you'd probably consider them bleeding heart type attempts.



It was a simple question and I didn't see anything that required my rebuttal.



To an extent, I agree with this. Had BEAR's post not been so crude I might have said something similar. Not that I take anything I wrote back, but I will admit I was very angry when I wrote it. If anyone took my post as meaning 9/11 should be shoved down people's throat then let me assure you that was not my intent. Different people have different ways of dealing with things like this. If you don't like the way others deal, then don't look. I saw BEAR's post as an attack on the way some of us deal and felt compelled to lash back.

Perhaps we should all just have our moment of silence for the victims (those who wish to do so that is) and agree to disagree. I suppose it's like debating religion in a way. No one is going to convice the other that their point is the right one. And I suppose it's like religion in the sense that there might not be a "right" or "wrong" opinion. Ok, now I'm rambleing. Sorry.

I hope that all made sense. If not, please excuse me as I'm working on very little sleep. What was my name again? ;)

PS: Thanks Ulukai for fixing my quote brackets back there. Much appreciated! :D

Gloria Creep on 11/9/2007 at 21:00

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I posted this thread on the FM forum and it was moved to this forum.
I now know why I like the FM forum better: there's a lot more respect for the opinion of others than here.
I'm shocked to read what some of you are stating.
I put up the thread, just to tell you how I felt, after seeing the documentary again. That was it!
Discussions, OK ... but some of you are really lashing out to others in a very unpleasant way. I couldn't do that, not even in a hot discussion and I also wouldn't want someone to talk to me in that way.
Everybody has his or hers own opinion, but we all can be civil enough and try not to be hurtfull.

Gloria Creep :angel:

Thief13x on 11/9/2007 at 21:11

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hmmmm, I agree Creep but I hate to say it you're really going to get slammed on this one man:( brace yourself:p