Foubister on 11/9/2007 at 12:32

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Heh. You might have a point there. Still, it's why I avoid Community Chat anyway. Speaking of which, has anyone else wondered why this was moved to Fan Missions in the first place?

Matthew on 11/9/2007 at 12:36

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It was moved from Fan Missions, I think.

Edit to say my bit: it's not out of order to quietly and respectfully remember; I suppose for many people 9/11 has become inextricably linked to what came afterwards to let it pass without negative comment. I'd prefer we didn't, but I respect their right to do so.

Rogue Keeper on 11/9/2007 at 12:45

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That tape brought into the light of the world surprisingly by CIA shortly before the anniversary is what I call a cold calculation and clear message to the US nation : "Our international policy is on the right path, Mr. President still needs your full support and this mysterious bearded dude wearing towel around his head still deserves your full hatred. And please don't confuse our anti-terrorrist crusade in the Middle East with other political and economical interests we might have, mind you? God bless America!"

I start to think that Laden (or some actor who pretends to be Laden on the tapes) has frequent contacts with CIA agents who hired him to make the performances.

How it is possible that the US Government still didn't manage to dig up this person from the deepest hole on Earth and bring him to justice? Are the intelligence services and the military of allegedly the most technologically advanced country in the world really so powerless in catching one person on this planet? 6 years after the attacks? It's hard to believe it.
That makes me think about three scenarios :

1) US intelligence services and military are not so great as they claim to be
2) They don't really want to get Bin Laden, at least for now because it's
better for them if he's free
3) There is no such living person as Bin Laden anymore, but it's good to keep
the public in belief he is

Choose your personal truth.

Making fictional iconic enemies to represent the bad guys would be so convenient for whoever advocates "War on Terror" and it's subtle imperialist interests. Ideally there should be some happenings like 1984's Two Minutes of Hate with Bin Laden's picture instead of Goldstein's and Bush instead of Big Brother.

I really condemn the CIA. With their history of dirty silent coups and games and support of terrorism they're just as evil as Al Quaeda.
More implifications are coming that they knew about what's gonna happen but from some reason they didn't act. Why? Ignorant incompetence? Purpose? Corruption of the agency by advocates of militarist policies who needed to present the nation - the world! - with an excuse for future interventions ?

So many questions, no clear answers. Originally I didn't want to derail this rememberance thread with this sort of crap, but I guess it has been derailed already.

...

Wait, someone's knocking at the door.

The Phantom on 11/9/2007 at 12:59

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I saw that documentary too, Gloria. THE documentary about 9/11.
It was shocking and surreal watching it again.

When I woke up that morning it was on every radio station, and everyone was talking about it at school. One of those mornings you'll never forget.
RIP to all those victims :nono:.

Today I read in a dutch newspaper about the permant health problems of all those people who helped cleaning up ground zero. Working for days without a mask, breathing in dust and poisonous gasses.
And they never received any serious compensation.

I don't understand that while the bush government is pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the war on terror, they don't seem to care about those people.

Stitch on 11/9/2007 at 14:25

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I'll never forget 9/11: the day at work where nobody did anything other than huddle around monitors, somberly following the news. The collective gasp when the second tower fell. The silence of a sky without airplanes. The footage of people jumping from the towers. The levity of normal radio replaced by a constant stream of unsettling news. The queasiness of a normal world whacked violently out of alignment, the question of more attacks hanging in the air. A nation suspended.

I'll never forget that day. And yet I largely agree with BEAR, albeit with more tact.

9/11 is just one drop in a sea of tragedy, and it doesn't grant Americans some unique brand of suffering that trumps all. Additionally, 9/11 has long since been tainted and overshadowed by the actions it justified in a crooked and amoral administration. I had faith in Bush when those towers collapsed--for the first time, granted, but our commander in chief still got my support--and he repaid me by systematically corrupting and destroying the America I was proud to be a part of.

America needs to honor 9/11 for what it is--a tragic day in our history when a terrorist attack killed 2,993 people--but we also need to put it in perspective and, well, get over it.

I know she broke our heart, guys, but it's time to start dating someone new.