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fett on 18/9/2007 at 18:17

Quote Posted by 37637598

Bumper stickers. They say it all. And christains always have em and they always call god and jesus something different. But it's always something good. I've never seen one that said 'God is mortgage'. Well, is he that too?

I think you're onto something here. Bumper stickers have been the trustworthy torchbearers for philosophies of all types for countless generations. Why oh, why did I spend all this money on books?

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37637598 on 18/9/2007 at 18:27

Quote Posted by fett

By your boldness and letter sizing, i'd assume I hit a soft spot. I am not at all serious about the bumper stickers, it was more of a joke than anything. I'm not trying to offend anyone here, i'm simply saying that here where I live, you see those bumper stickers all of the time and you gotta realize that the person driving the car believes the bumper sticker, otherwise they would not have it. And that simply states that christians are in-decisive within their religion over what the true meaning of god is. Not at all pointing the finger. Just stating some truth. And when I say christians, I do not mean you specifically (whoever you are), I mean; if one guy says god is a shoe, and two other guys say god is a sock, and then some more say god is a shoelace, then there are issues and no-one really knows what god is even if all of them are 100% correct based on books.

fett on 18/9/2007 at 18:42

It's not because of a soft spot - it's because of stupidity. If you had any concept at all of what you're talking about you'd realize that the matter is far more complex that simply stating "God is X" or "God is Y" and that according to historically accepted mainstream Christian theology, God can be both "X and Y" without contradiction. Is God light and hope? Yes. Is Jesus God or the Son of God? Yes.

There is no supposed in-decisiveness among Christians about who/what God is. Differences of opinion on the application of that theology? Of course. Very limited understanding of it's implications? Obviously. Arguments about peripheral issues? Sure. But the doctrine of God (theology proper) Christ (christology) and the Holy Spirit (pneumatology), is univerally agreed upon by all major denominations, as is the matter of the Trinity which seems to be where your issue stems from.

Trust me, the only confusion here is from you oversimplifying something you apparently haven't taken the time to understand in the least. (For the record, I don't consider myself a Christian).

As for Christians agreeing about what 'the true meaning of god is' - do you even know what you mean by that statement? Exactly what type of all encompassing bumper sticker slogan are you looking for? You might refer to the (http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/nicene.html) Nicene Creed for a hint. Take into consideration that every word of that document was labored over in light of OT scripture, possible heresies, and the understanding of already held trans-generational doctrine. In other words, it may sound like gobeldy gook to you, but the entire statement was very well thought out, and has stood the test of time as intended. OH YEAH - and is hanging on a wall somewhere in about 99% of the mainstream Protestant and Catholic churches in the world.

37637598 on 18/9/2007 at 19:01

But now you're taking it specifically. What i'm saying- One guy says god is X. Another guy says god is Y. you say god is XY. I say god is Z. still with me? ok. X= man. Y= greatness. Z= jesus. M=mary. God is glory and greatness. OK, i get that. It means he is always the good side, the thing you can look up to and find hope. He is what keeps us going. He is everywhere. He is also everything. He states himself to be lightness and darkness, good and evil. He created man in his own image basically meaning we are everywhere and we are good and evil. Or we simply represent 'God'. Jesus is god. This means jesus is an example of man seeing how man is in gods image. Jesus is now glory and great. Mary is jesus's mother. Ok, so god is greatness, jesus is god, mary is jesus mother, jesus is the son of god, now mary is glory and greatness. Is mary god? I know i'm simplifying it because I want to know how there can be any other explination. Mary is god, Jesus is god, Mary and Jesus were human and god is simply a way of life, or an athmosphere. God is what we search for in life, it's the meaning of life, it is everything so then we go back to evolution because god is now everything so it doesn't conflict with evolution. God didn't create the universe, god is the universe, the universe was already here. God is just a way to describe something bigger than we can ever understand. Lord is a word to describe something we see as greater than us.

I lost it after the first sentence. I hate debating something that everyone knows 100% but literally doesn't know it yet.

ps, im stupid and only argue shit i know nothing about so i can learn.

fett on 18/9/2007 at 19:23

Did you read the link? It answers every question you're asking, if what you're asking is, "What do Christians really believe about God." The Nicene Creed is the universally accepted statement that answers the question. Most of the rest of what you're saying are in fact NOT things that Christians believe, or claim to believe, but rather what you seem to *think* they believe based on....whatever you're basing it on. Certainly not the stated doctrines of the historical church which have not left these issues up to debate within the church. For example:

It means he is always the good side - Nope.
He states himself to be lightness and darkness, good and evil. - Nope
He created man in his own image basically meaning we are everywhere and we are good and evil. - Nope
Or we simply represent 'God'. - Nope
Is mary god? - Nope

I know you're simplifying for the sake of the argument, but that's the exact problem. You're pulling examples out of your ass to 'prove' that Christians disagree about the nature of God, but none of your examples truly represent any normal thinking or teaching of mainstream Christianity. You're simply fabricating these 'disagreements' you seem to believe exist. Hello Strawman!

Seriously - name one Primary, salvation pending disagreement about the nature of God that exists within the mainstream church at this moment. Show me the 'confusion' that Christian theology (not Christians) have about the nature of God. That's fair right?

Here's where your thinking is off kilter: Just because Christians may be ill-informed or not know what they believe, doesn't mean that 'the church' as a whole doesn't know what it believes. If it's something that matters (read: of eternal importance), it has been clearly and authoritatively stated for them to learn if they so choose. Two Christians disagreeing over whether or not God is Spirit isn't really a disagreement. If they both believe that what the Bible teaches is true about the nature of God (and by nature of their claim to be Christians, they do), they will accept it's teaching (one of them is wrong). But that doesn't mean their agreement about the matter makes it so. In Christianity, the Bible is considered the authoritative source, with church tradition coming in a close second. So what makes it so is that the Bible *does* say he's spirit, and the Nicene creed (church tradition - for all you Catholics out there ;) ) underscores that doctrine. There was no disagreement in the theology - just on the part of one dildo who didn't know what he believed. Do you see the difference?

So yeah, bumper stickers may say all kinds of things, and people may even believe them, but the theology isn't hanging out there waiting for everyone's consensus. The doctrines are articulated, regardless of what Joe-Blow bible banger has on his car. That speaks to the ignorance of the driver, not flaws in the theology itself.

Rogue Keeper on 19/9/2007 at 07:18

Let me guess, just Christians in America behave like fanatical pop sickos.

SubJeff on 19/9/2007 at 07:57

And thus the fools came in their numbers.

fett on 19/9/2007 at 13:09

This is like having a conversation with my 5 year old. If it'll put an end to this, I'll confess that you're both horribly clever and witty, and OH SO HIP because you think Xtians are stoopid LOL!!E#12#!@ Brilliant. You dumb fucks.

Still no answer to my question I notice.

Rogue Keeper on 19/9/2007 at 13:26

I was reacting to 37637598, actually.

fett on 19/9/2007 at 16:40

In that case, I'm sorry. The quote function might have helped to clarify. ;)