the_grip on 14/9/2007 at 18:41
One other point to add re:Reformation is that a huge part of it was politically driven (as it was in the Church of England splitting from the RCC) - probably just as much or more so than it was religiously drivien - and it really muddled the issues.
Unfortunately, humanity did not learn its lesson there and still uses the same recipe for disaster for the lose. Iraq War + George Bush + Stupid bumper sticker and flag != Christianity... maybe someone will get that right someday.
scumble on 14/9/2007 at 22:16
Quote Posted by fett
Go to the Babylonian histories and see that they record events to have taken place exactly this way, the only difference between the Jewish and Babylonian texts being that the Jewish texts were written two hundred years prior. What the fuck do you do with that?
Well there might be something funky going on, but it's not necessarily God. It's possible to deal with weird mysteries without using God to fill up the void. At least that's my approach. There is so much that isn't known in terms of historical information that I'd feel foolish taking these things at face value. At least I don't know enough to be entirely sure about you being sure about this stuff. We still have to filter everything through the old brain and compare it with what we think is sensible.
I guess I'll just go and hang out with Socrates here...
Gingerbread Man on 15/9/2007 at 00:09
Quote Posted by scumble
We still have to filter everything through the old brain and compare it with what we think is sensible.
Terrifyingly, your brain does most of the filtering without any advice, encouragement, or rule structure from "you" :(
Fucking pulvinar making its own (preconscious) decisions as to input salience... It's the bane of my faith in my own experience. Among other things.
Thief13x on 15/9/2007 at 01:21
Good post Fett. I think alot of christianity has to do with personal experience GASP, yep... there are alot of athiests that believe in a supernatural forces (just play a little with a wedgy board), and ghosts.
Why do they believe in these? It's because of what either they, or somone they know well has experienced, PERIOD! So, for those who keep screaming words like 'bullshit' and 'ignorant' at us christians, let me ask you this, do you believe in anything that doesn't meet the eye or isn't scientifically proven? if not, you need to make some freinds:p
Gingerbread Man on 15/9/2007 at 01:25
Nobody over the age of five actually believes in ghosts what the fuck.
Renzatic on 15/9/2007 at 01:44
I believed in zombies for a long, long time. At least til I was 15, which, coincidently, was about the time grandma started eating again.
To this conversation, I contribute nothing worthwhile.
SD on 15/9/2007 at 03:23
Quote Posted by Thief13x
do you believe in anything that doesn't meet the eye or isn't scientifically proven? if not, you need to make some freinds
Either that, or we could just make up some invisible friends like Christians do.
Thief13x on 15/9/2007 at 03:29
Quote Posted by SD
Either that, or we could just make up some invisible friends like Christians do.
hey, your mom didn't feel very invisible last night, I can doublecheck though if you want
Stitch on 15/9/2007 at 03:35
Quote Posted by Thief13x
hey, your mom didn't feel very invisible last night, I can doublecheck though if you want
Preserved for the ages.
In other news, dear god SD just what the hell do you think you're doing?
SubJeff on 15/9/2007 at 04:23
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
Nobody over the age of five actually believes in ghosts what the fuck.
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Festival) Hmmm, not really sure what you mean.
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
I know this is way too little, and way too late,
Actually not. In amongst all this religious debate (which is totally RIVETING guys, ESPECIALLY SDs intellectual take, yeah!) I thought that was quite refreshing and, for you (oh lol!), quote poignant. But then I have had a skinful so who can say?
