Gloria Creep on 11/9/2007 at 00:48

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OK. Off topic.

It just got to me .... Saw a documantery (again) this evening on Dutch TV ............ a film about the fireman who were in the Twin Towers 6 years ago .... and all that happened ......... too much ....

I know we all play the Thief game, we all HIT and HIT and KILL .... but we're NEVER thát cruel .... in real life, I'm sure :nono:

So I just want you to remember this moment, then .... just for a second, when you're playing our most favourite game.

That's all I wanted to say to you Taffers.

Gloria Creep :angel:

demagogue on 11/9/2007 at 03:03

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Well, I was walking to class when the first plane went over my head. Saw the whole thing from my terrace, only about 15 or so blocks away ... heard people screaming from the streets, saw cars and people emerging caked in ash, smelt the acrid smoke for days afterwards, saw more missing posters on the walls of buildings than you could count, school was canceled for a week, candles were left by peoples doors, people on the sidewalks actually applauded as fire engines went by, and I watched as the small fire station next to my school was covered in purple and black drapes...
I have to say it had an impact on my life ... I moved towards international law after that.


It already seems like a distant memory now.

BEAR on 11/9/2007 at 04:39

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Words cannot convey how much I just dont care anymore. I mean yeah, it was pretty bad, but I just dont fucking feel anything about it anymore, seeing the towers go 10000 times, it fucking means nothing.

Im more and more sick at how fucked up America is. I mean on the one hand, the loss of human life is terrible but on the other hand jesus, who the fuck cares, just because it was so spectacular doesn't make it anymore important. Im sure people will get their shit all up in a wad about this because they are a fireman or in the military but fuck it, Im sick of 9/11 and I just dont care.

If they would spend the money they waste making shitty documentaries and laugh out loud bad made for tv drama's on taking really good care of the people that survived it, or fuck just downtrodden people in general it would be much better. Get the fuck over it and move on and do something good rather than focusing on this emotional shit.

In so many ways katrina was so much worse, but there arnt lots of GOOD CHRISTIAN AMERICAN firefighters to suck off and alot less good ol middle america pride, NEVAR FORGET!!1!!11.

ercles on 11/9/2007 at 05:20

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Although I don't agree with some of his sentiments, I think BEAR is onto something. Surely all the money that has been made off the post 9-11 patriotism has cheapened the loss somewhat. I personally think that the retaliation (bombing Kabul) didn't help things either, as it seemed to be retaliation for retaliation's sake, just so that the U.S. could be seen to be doing something tangible rather than a tactical and thought-out response to what was a terrible crime.

Foubister on 11/9/2007 at 06:24

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BEAR, please crawl back under the rock from which you came.

You were probably fast asleep when 9/11 happened and therefore have no idea about what that day meant. Those of us who watched it live as it happened remember the absolute terror of that day. Were tens of thousands of people going to die in the towers? How many planes were hijacked? Was this just a prelude to worse attacks as the day went on? What the hell was happening?! Until then most of us, in North America, had always seen the aftermath of a terrorist attack. In that sense, we still maintained a kind of innocence. A distance from the terror one experiences when witnessing such acts first hand. That innocence was brutally stripped from our collective conscience on that day. Our souls were raped and left for dead. I remember walking down the street a few months after that and hearing a plane fly overhead that sounded a tad too low. Everyone on the street looked up with trepidation in their eyes. This being the capital of Canada we were already on edge wondering if we were next. We were afraid, even if only for a moment, like a rape victim when a man gets too close to her even months later.

A natural disaster is something completely different. They happen. They're awful but they are not humans brutalizing humans. They are not attacks by mother nature. They are just NATURAL. It's just the way our planet works and we've had to just live with and make the best of it since life began. To compare the two is just showing how simple you are.

One could say that man has been worse in the past and this is all too true. Should we just forget the incidents that were "lesser" than the worst? No, of course not. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Should we just forget the Holocaust? All instances of man's inhumanity to man should be remembered and not minimalised like you have done. To someone in say Rwanda 9/11 doesn't have the same impact for them as their genocide has, just as their genocide doesn't have the same impact on us that 9/11 has. It's relative but neither should be trivialized and neither should be compared to the other. To base one's assessment on how horrible an event is on body count is callus and narrow minded in the extreme.

As for how money is being spent since the aftermath. That's a different subject all together and not what the original poster was talking about.

From the language you used in your post I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't even alive when 9/11 happened. If you were alive and did witness it live, then you need psychiatric help for your sociopathy.

End of rant. And quite possibly my membership but I've seen this kind of bullshit far too often and said nothing.