Thirith on 24/11/2014 at 10:00
Since we've got some techheads here, I wanted to ask your advice: I'll be building a new PC come Christmas, and I'm wavering between getting one of these two CPUs: either an i5-4690k or an i7-4790k.
I'm hearing somewhat contradictory things about the two processors: some people say that the 4790k isn't worth it, because its theoretical advantages over the 4690k remain theoretical, since few games make use of them. Others say that if you've got the money it's still worth it, but these seem to rely mostly on synthetic benchmarks.
In practice (gaming, some streaming, the occasional video transcoding), what are the benefits of going with the 4790k? Or does it make more sense to go for the cheaper CPU and put the money aside for other things? I can afford either, but I don't want to spend money that doesn't translate into enough of an actual benefit.
bikerdude on 24/11/2014 at 14:03
The only difference between the two chips is hyper-threading, price and cache size - 4 versus 8, $250 versus $350 and 6 versus 8 -
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http://ark.intel.com/compare/80811,80807)
And in answer to your question, for your average gamer/internet/office user there is no benefit going for the 4790. Also why are you going for an unlocked K model, are you looking to overclock? If not than why not go for one of the locked models?
Thirith on 24/11/2014 at 14:05
Yup, I'm looking to overclock. My plan is to build a PC that I'll be using for the next few years with only minor upgrades. Thanks for the answer!
Al_B on 24/11/2014 at 18:52
Quote Posted by bikerdude
The only difference between the two chips is hyper-threading, price and cache size - 4 versus 8, $250 versus $350 and 6 versus 8
The frequency of the two chips are different as well - 3.5GHz base for the 4690K vs 4GHz base for the 4790K. It probably won't make a huge difference for general use even with that difference and you'll get more bang for your buck with the 4690K.
Having said that I'm running with the 4790K as I wanted the hyperthreading option for non-game purposes. I did change the stock cooler pretty quickly, however, as the standard one has pretty poor thermal and noise performance even without overclocking.
Thirith on 25/11/2014 at 08:44
Not decided yet on which processor to go for, but I'm definitely planning to get closed loop water cooling for it, which should be considerably better in terms of thermal and noise performance.
bikerdude on 25/11/2014 at 13:49
Quote Posted by Thirith
but I'm definitely planning to get closed loop water cooling for it, which should be considerably better in terms of thermal and noise performance.
* Most of these closed loop (heatsink + small radiator) (
http://www.overclock.net/t/1260241/high-end-air-cooling-vs-closed-loop-water-cooling) aren't any better than a descent lower priced air based cooler and some descent heatsink paste
* Every Intel CPU since the Corei3/i5/i7 series runs cool enough that even the stock cooler is good enough, that said and as Al pointed out the top end chips like the 4790 need a better-than-stock cooler.
* The only reason to get a cpu water cooler is if you want to do heavy overclocking, and then a single 120/140mm radiator that come with most of these closed loop kits wont cut it.
There are loads of descent air coolers out there and loads of comparison reviews, it all depends on your space and noise requirements -
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http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/5629/39-cpu-coolers-review-what-is-the-best-choice)
If your dead set on a closed loop water cooler, than here is another review that should help -
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/water2.0-extreme-kraken-x40-hydro-h90-elc120,3434.html)
And if your going water cooled, then consider your case and where the rad is going to be mounted.
Quote Posted by Thirith
which should be considerably better in terms of thermal and noise performance.
Yes and no, if your going for the corei5 then descent air cooler with be just as quiet and almost as efficient.
Thirith on 25/11/2014 at 14:14
Thanks for the info - which goes against some of the things I've heard elsewhere, so I'm a bit confused now. I was thinking of the Corsair H110, which has two fans and tends to get fairly good reviews, but if the difference between it and an air-based cooler is negligible, I'd have to reconsider.
bikerdude on 25/11/2014 at 21:34
Quote Posted by Thirith
Thanks for the info - which goes against some of the things I've heard elsewhere, so I'm a bit confused now. I was thinking of the Corsair H110, which has two fans and tends to get fairly good reviews, but if the difference between it and an air-based cooler is negligible, I'd have to reconsider.
The way Ive looked at it is if the thermal improvement isnt big enough of water over air, then the extra price and risk (water spilling inside the PC) isn't worth it.
But as I'd mentioned above those closed-loop 120mm rad sometimes wont cut it, but a 240mm rad like the one on the Corsair H110 is a step up. But then your at the point where a hardcore WC enthusiast would say if your gonna come this far (pricewise, the H110 averages around £100) you might as well get (
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Phobya-Pure-Performance-Watercooling-Kit-360LT_42356.html) a proper WC kit (with a pump, res, cpu block, proper sized hoses etc) for £150 with that give you the ability to hook in a northbridge block, a gpu block or even a mosfet block later on. In a nutshell a proper WC kit will runs rings round that Corsair H110, just have a look on any WC forum. That and if you shop around you may find a full WC kit for the same price as the H110. And if you got for a full kit make sure to fully leak test for 24hrs prior to fitting.
Inline Image:
http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/images/product_images/large/95/Phobya-Pure-Performance-Watercooling-Kit-360LT-40184-0.jpgWhat are the full specs of your system, case, psu, mobo. In fact can you take a pic from the side so we can see your current layout.
Thirith on 26/11/2014 at 05:21
It'll be a full new build, sometime between now and the end of the year. Here are the parts someone else suggested to me:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic G-750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)
It won't be those exact ones, depending on availability and local prices, and there will obviously be a large harddisk, in addition to which I'm thinking of going 16B, Geforce 980 and possibly 4790K.