37637598 on 28/3/2010 at 17:33
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I've witnessed almost a whole generation of kids here messing up their lives because of weed.
explain. They mess up their lives
because of weed, meaning they go out of their way to make choices and actions that mess up their futures, because they have a bag of weed in their pocket? Well that just doesn't make any sense, unless weed holds some unearthly mind-controlling power that can telekenetically force thoughts into the minds of the weak, causing them to take paths that deliberately lead them to destruction of themselves. You make it sound like these kids are high 100% of the time, which is just unreal. Unless you work at a rehab facility, in which case no wonder you think it just screws kids up, because the only ones you would know about are the ones who screw their lives up. Because they're stupid, not weed-possessed.
SD on 29/3/2010 at 01:59
Quote Posted by 37637598
Well that just doesn't make any sense, unless weed holds some unearthly mind-controlling power that can telekenetically force thoughts into the minds of the weak, causing them to take paths that deliberately lead them to destruction of themselves.
hey man i saw reefer madness I KNOW THE SCORE :mad::mad::mad:
37637598 on 29/3/2010 at 02:56
oh hey so did I, maybe lamebag here saw it too- hence the fear of it ruining lives and turning kids 'MAD'.
Scots Taffer on 29/3/2010 at 03:02
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Cigarettes are legal, that hasn't stopped the black market for that at all.
What? I've been around for nearly 30 years and never seen nor heard of any "black market smokes".
AR Master on 29/3/2010 at 03:04
They're cigarettes that are missing the tax stamp; fairly popular and costly to the cigarette industry
Scots Taffer on 29/3/2010 at 03:34
I'm usually so off my tits on ganja that I must have missed that
37637598 on 29/3/2010 at 03:56
Shh don't say that, the government will use it as proof for why not to legalize it! Jeez ruin it for us all! I know right? last weekend I was hanging out with a bunch of girls at this party, and these two were talking to me, and eachother, drunk, I was high, and they were having an innocent conversation about how they love something about sucking on lemons, but accidently said melons, and I thought to myself "dear penthouse", but really I said it out loud. That was a mistake i thought, but they actually laughed and exchanged numbers. With me. Am I still telling this story? What a crazy party. Weed makes me funny, no-one will take that away from me.
Muzman on 29/3/2010 at 04:38
I believe there's a fair bit of tobacco smuggling still going on around S.E. Asia and the Mediterranean where's it's still vaguely convenient to grab a boat and do that sort of thing. But that's life I guess.
Anyway, if California is really going to do this they're going to see an army of reformed junkies telling them not to. Always seems to happen. "If that was legal I'd probably have got into heroin much sooner and be dead" and so on. It's probably true up to a point, but you can't really pay that much attention to them, cruel though it seems. I've known enough people who did nothing but smoke dope until they were 28. Although how you can know an entire generation, (the best minds... angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, I suppose) and not spot any alcoholics is beyond me. Perhaps because alcos are traditionally very hard to spot, but anyway. The world is full of miserable sods who just can't hack it, gawd bless 'em. And someone's always going to fuck themselves up on something. Middle class libertines will always be wankers too. It's really not the point.
The anti argument seems to be that if it's legalised more people are going to do it more often. I don't think that's been shown. From memory the bulk of the use in Amsterdam is drug tourists. Locals aren't nearly as interested.
Then things take a step to pointing out the complexities of legalisation, taxation and enforcement. All of which is true. It'll take some effort to shift it all to legitimacy. But what does that argument leave us with really? We can't concoct a perfect scenario therefore we should do nothing? A position where a few more stoners being enabled is somehow worse than saddling thousands upon thousands with a criminal record for doing something that causes little harm to anyone but themselves? Oh right, while it's illegal it's their fault but to change things and allow a few bad cases it'll be ours. Basic civic cowardice. Anyone who makes this argument against change for what might go wrong should be loudly made to shoulder everything that's known to be bad about the status quo. They seem to have forgotten that.
We'll be here all day if we have to dig out the tacit fear of permissiveness that is usually behind the no case, as they rarely cop to it up front. The thing is black market cigarettes and moonshine still exist, and you can grow your own tobacco and brew your own beer fairly happily. What amount of the market does this constitute? It's pretty tiny, when you get down to it. There's not a lot you can't defeat with convenience. And that'd be convenience that the hoods making money out of pot could never match A few more underfunded bikie gangs and other hoods is never a bad thing. Yeah there's other drugs, but it's a start.
PeeperStorm on 29/3/2010 at 05:07
There's plenty of tobacco bootlegging within the US. The federal government and some of the states have layered on so many taxes that they can double (or more) the cost. As a result you get a lot of product being loaded into trucks on various Native American reservations (tax free), or in states with low taxes, and being shipped elsewhere for sale at much lower rates than legal cigarettes.
PigLick on 29/3/2010 at 06:33
Muzman pretty much said it all.
