fett on 27/3/2010 at 18:06
DaBeast - I'm not really following your objection. Are you saying we shouldn't legalize it because it won't be cleaner, and it will provide easier access to kids?
What about the huge benefits to the criminal justice system, which ultimately benefits all society (less crowding by pot use/possession/traffic = more room for rapists/murders/etc. to serve longer sentences)?
@AR - we get it, dude. You're a heroin addict. Congrats.
Bluegrime on 27/3/2010 at 18:26
Social welfare? National healthcare? LEGALIZED POT?
What are you guys, a bunch of europeans? Come on, you can't keep putting all your poor people in the prison industrial complex if you legalize pot! What's next? Letting pinkos marry? Did the beatnicks win some kind of war while I was building this country/killing Vietnamese/voting for Reagan?
In all seriousness, I think people will be surprised by how little of an actual "transition" goes on here. Everyone who smokes pot now does it spitting in the face of the law, and it isn't really a challenge to get ahold of the stuff. So there might be some (less than) shocking revelations and a new market for pot leaf T shirts in cali, but I don't expect the market to explode.
That said, this *IS* a very good bill because it includes a legal provision for private growth. If the War on Drugs can be won this is it right here. Remove the criminal aspect of growth and suddenly you don't "have" to be a criminal to grow. The only reason the import market on illegal drugs is so profitable is because people are pants shittingly terrified of being busted as a "distributor" or risk growing in their own homes. When people can openly grow their own and buy it from their own neighbors, the need to buy it from a third hand dealer for inflated prices goes out the window.
Hope to see this one spread to Oregon and creep its way up to the border, then up across the Northeast until it hits the coast and comes right back down. Like a good coat of paint, yeah. :thumb:
Namdrol on 27/3/2010 at 19:40
No talk of drug use and law occurs in a vacuum.
It is one of the strange parts of this life we lead - The love and hate relationship us humans have with intoxication.
What do you think the collector of women feels when he has them carefully placed in chains under the house?
And how does this relate to your up and at em cup of java?
There are arguments for the possibility that the search for intoxication is one of the drives for the human species. (Intoxication: Life in Pursuit of Artificial Paradise. Ronald K. Siegel, Ph.D. E.P. Dutton, New York, 1989.)
As much of a compulsion as hunger or thirst.
And we throw legislation onto this heady mix?
There is not one single valid argument against the legalisation of weed and anyone who disagrees can kiss my stinking ring.
I'm sick of talking nice on this pointless circle jerk of an argument.
Been too long, too many years, too many people fucked over by the state
If you think it's wrong to legalise pot, you automatically identify yourself as a shiteater and therefore are not worthy of engaging in any meaningful discussion.
Other drugs, different story.
Complicated, and without any doubt, a medical matter, 'cept we don't have a medical/society model to deal with it.
Principally because of shiteaters legislation.
DaBeast on 27/3/2010 at 19:51
Quote Posted by fett
DaBeast - I'm not really following your objection. Are you saying we shouldn't legalize it because it won't be cleaner, and it will provide easier access to kids?
What about the huge benefits to the criminal justice system, which ultimately benefits all society (less crowding by pot use/possession/traffic = more room for rapists/murders/etc. to serve longer sentences)?
On paper the benefits of legalisation look great. But its just on paper, will the black market be quashed by regulated availability? Cigarettes are legal, that hasn't stopped the black market for that at all.
I've witnessed almost a whole generation of kids here messing up their lives because of weed. Before it was just smoking and drinking, and although the deaths and trauma that results from alcohol abuse, I've never actually seen young teen alchoholics, I have seen all too many young teen drug addicts. The drinking would usually be something that happens once a week for kids aged 13+, but getting stoned is something they do every day, it begins to take over.
In short weed isnt this awesome happy drug that is totally harmless. And yet my problem isn't really with marijuana, but with peoples attitude toward it. During prohibition period America, was alcoholism and alcohol related death etc higher or lower that post prohibition? Just curious, I don't mean to use that as an example or anything.
Another question, does anyone find it somewhat depressing that people visit Amsterdam purely for the red light district and not the culture?
quinch on 27/3/2010 at 21:33
How specifically have these kids messed up their lives? What are they doing or not doing that you think is so bad?
Not sure what it has to do with legalizing the old Bobby Brown, but the red light district is part of the Amsterdam culture surely..? Why link smoking weed to the sex industry?
june gloom on 27/3/2010 at 23:07
Quote Posted by AR Master
weed is the anime of drugs
Despite not contributing anything to the overall discussion (any discussion, in any thread, at all ever) this made me laugh more than DaBeast wanting weed to stay illegal because it's popular.
PeeperStorm on 27/3/2010 at 23:11
Anime is my anti-drug! I spend all my money on it, and then I can't afford drugs.
fett on 28/3/2010 at 00:16
Thus ends the dethy<>AR lovefest.
witherflower on 28/3/2010 at 09:46
Quote Posted by DaBeast
I've witnessed almost a whole generation of kids here messing up their lives because of weed.
Yeah, I'm thinkin' it ain't the weed. It's something a little more profound messing up these kids. A gun can't fire on it's own. There's someone pulling the trigger. We can't abolish things that might be destructive and think it solves a problem, it will still be there.
