2008 TTLG Mock presidential election. Poll included - by io organic industrialism
Starrfall on 10/10/2008 at 04:40
Time to relay a joke!
What do Sarah Palin and Iran have in common?
They both supported the Alaska Independent Party. (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/)
Wait wait I have another!
What did Sarah Palin think about Obama's message before she was tapped to be VP?
Obama's message is resonating well even with Alaskans - that message being change and desire for no embracing of the status quo and politics as usual but something different, something charismatic and dynamic - that does resonate well, that message of Obama's. (She's still barely speaking english though. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4Tl3vHryQ) )heretic on 10/10/2008 at 16:44
Only time may tell as the devil is in the details with this one. Obviously since Obama's private conversations are what is in question here we may never know for certain. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if this pans out to be more than a feeble distraction. Hopefully the "Iraqi leaders" who've maid this claim will be named eventually so that they would be more pressured to go on record.
"At the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn't be allowed to enact the deal without congressional approval.
Mr. Obama's conversations with the Iraqi leaders, confirmed to The Washington Times by his campaign aides, began just two weeks after he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in June and stirred controversy over the appropriateness of a White House candidate's contacts with foreign governments while the sitting president is conducting a war.
Some of the specifics of the conversations remain the subject of dispute. Iraqi leaders purported to The Times that Mr. Obama urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office - a charge the Democratic campaign denies."
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http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/)
More Acorn madness:
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm)
Fraud:
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http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/10/dead-voters-still-registered-in-harris-county/)
BEAR on 10/10/2008 at 18:30
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Lending significant credence to Obama's response is the fact that -- though it's absent from the Post story and other retellings -- in addition to Obama and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, this July meeting was also attended by Bush administration officials, such as U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and the Baghdad embassy's legislative affairs advisor Rich Haughton, as well as a Republican senator, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.
What part of this don't you understand, or did you read it at all?
And if you are talking about totally private 1 on 1 talks between Obama and Iraqi officials (and I'm not specifically aware of any that have happened), is it not telling that so many are willing to believe a 3rd party account over the account of the person actually there? At best its 50/50, you just can't say if they differ (assuming you are seeing first hand accounts of both parties, which is not whats being insinuated).
Thats like me saying you take it up the ass every night, and when you deny it, saying "well of course
he would deny it, but
I know whats going on" to use a crude analogy.
BEAR on 10/10/2008 at 20:05
I swear, the only way to make voting accurate is to make it totally transparant and digitized. If you try to hide the votes from anyone, then the people who can see the votes will have total power. Even paper ballots are counted with machines. Like so many things, the only thing that makes voter information valuable and powerful is its secrecy.
I know the arguments against this - discrimination, retaliation etc, but are these things as bad as not being able to trust your government to vote fairly? If all that information were public and could be verified by 3rd parties would it not be more secure?
I think this is a topic at the heart of democracy, so how is it so little effort seems to be spent on it? Our voting methods are outdated and showing it. We have different standards in different states, everything is fucked up and hardly anyone needs to understand it. We need standards, and IBM knows standards. Who thinks we would actually be worse off if we got IBM or Oracle or another of the big technology companies to help design as flawless as possible of a voting system? Would potential drawbacks be as bad as the mistrust we have in our own system now?
I really don't ever see a way to make it work without making it open. I think America will have to grow up for that to work, and that seems even less likely.
heretic on 10/10/2008 at 20:32
Quote Posted by BEAR
What part of this don't you understand, or did you read it at all? ETC
Less foaming, more objectivity. That goes doubly in regards to your response to the Taheri post.
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That's ok it's all balanced out by this!
Not really, as more problems of any stripe are just further evidence that we have a major situation within the overall system. Also, I find it a bit premature to proclaim the ACORN situation to be overblown just yet given that investigations are underway in several seperate states at present.
Yet more (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=728326) ballot boondoggles.Starrfall on 10/10/2008 at 21:28
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Not really, as more problems of any stripe are just further evidence that we have a major situation within the overall system.
That was my point, actually. It was just subtle.
well the s and the b are like RIGHT next to each other
heretic on 10/10/2008 at 21:38
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That was my point, actually. It was just subtle.
OH YEAH?
Well I'll take your flippancy and raise it with an equal measure of irony...or something else I vaguely understand.
Starrfall on 10/10/2008 at 21:44
Hey are you in the Charlie Brown/Tom McClintock district? Because that race sounds like a scorcher and I find it vaguely interesting because McClintock is carpetbagging up from SoCal where he used to me my state rep.
