2008 TTLG Mock presidential election. Poll included

BEAR on 5/10/2008 at 01:00

Opinions are not always protected just because its an opinion.

My opinion is that your opinion is based on a serious lack of knowledge and attention. I think that were you to attempt to find out for yourself his positions, rather than just judging from a relatively small amount of exposure, you might not have your opinion.

Your opinion sounds like that to me, I might be wrong, but the offhanded way you said it without offering any examples tends to come from a person who's seen half of one interview and listened to some republican talking points a few times and passes it off as a working opinion.

kodan50 on 5/10/2008 at 03:00

Is almost sounds like you can judge an opinion to be untrue because the opinion given is based on a lack of inforamtion available to back it up, or the only bit of information that is given is all negative inforamtion. To be fair on my part, I only really watched a sort of side by site questionnaire at (http://trevinwax.com/2008/08/17/obama-mccain-with-rick-warren-at-saddleback-forum-video/). My opinion is based on this series alone. I just don't have the time to sit down and analize everything. Really.

Man, I hate politics!

Although I must admit, Obama's answers were almost all straight and concise in this series!

BEAR on 5/10/2008 at 06:27

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From your grammar I'm not entirely sure if you are being facetious or not. Either way, it sounds as though I was right.

If you are American, and you are voting in the upcoming election, it would behoove you to take the minimal amount of time to understand the candidates. It really isn't that hard, and this kind of apathy is something we're going to have to work hard to overcome as a nation. Or at the very least acknowledge your apathy and just not vote.

Edit: Oh, holy shit thats from the saddleback thing, that is much worse. That is hardly the place to go if you actually want to get political positions, as I understand it that was simply a faith oriented thing?

kodan50 on 5/10/2008 at 18:26

They were asked questions, and they answered them. that is the only basis of watching that.

In regards with my grammar, I just type to fast, and I don't take the time to check my spelling and sentence structure. Unfortunately, I didn't like English class very much, and now I am way to busy to care.

In regards with my response, I think it's more accurate to say that an opinion shouldn't be analize as an opinion of real statue if the opinion is based on a lack of inforamation, or if said opinion was made in haste, without an actual reason behind it. Therefore, I do not agree that an opinion should be judged in such a way as to say the opinion is false or wrong, since it is still an opinion. *It would be like me saying the Earth is 15,000 years old, and you say the Earth is 14 billion years old. Who is right? You might provide me all this "Scientific" evidence, but I might provide all this "Biblical" based evidence. Who gains the right to judge an opinion based on the information given? Who has the right to make that kind of judgement of an opinion? Then again, what is an opinion anyways? Just someone's idea? Can you judge someone's idea if you have an idea of your own? I think that all you can do is tell me you disagree, and tell me why, but don't tell me that my opinion is wrong, because you don't have the authority in my life to govern my opinions in such a way. I can relate your response with mine to cross reference why I am tying all this, but I don't really want to.

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Opinions are not always protected just because its an opinion

How exactly do you define "Protection"? What happens if the opinion is not "protected"? What if you give me an incredibly straight forward reason why the said opinion is completely "false", and I disagree? I am still protecting my opinion, even though your idea of the opinion has been broken down. It sounds to me that, this statement is a personal base, and therefore cannot be taken as a form of fact, since it is, in fact, still an opinion.

*In regards with the example given above, I did not assume your stance on the age of the Earth. It was an example only. I can't believe I actually have to type this...

D'Juhn Keep on 5/10/2008 at 18:50

kodan50: Here everyone read my stupid opinion
Bearicus: That's a really stupid opinion, here is why
kodan50: I am allowed to have a stupid opinion
Bearicus: Look why don't you just try to find out some facts it might change your opinion
kodan50: I AM ALLOWED TO HAVE A STUPID OPINION

Did I miss anything?

BEAR on 5/10/2008 at 19:52

Kodan, you don't think that the scientific evidence is that the world is 14 billion years old do you? Once again I couldn't be entirely sure from your post, hopefully not.

When I say "protected", I mean that having an opinion is not an unassailable position where you can just say "this is just my opinion, we don't have to agree". Opinions are not like religion, where you can just say anything you like and have it be protected. Just like you shouldn't be able to say that Obama is a Muslim, and that that is your opinion (though sadly people actually do that).

I'm saying that I personally would not feel good about trying to lay out an opinion that was as obviously narrow as your own seems to be. You cant argue that that is your opinion is just as valid as anyones when it is so obviously undernourished and expect anyone to take you seriously.

kodan50 on 6/10/2008 at 04:43

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Kodan, you don't think that the scientific evidence is that the world is 14 billion years old do you? Once again I couldn't be entirely sure from your post, hopefully not.

Nope, I don't really pay attention to this kind of stuff. It was only used as part of my point.

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When I say "protected", I mean that having an opinion is not an unassailable position where you can just say "this is just my opinion, we don't have to agree". Opinions are not like religion, where you can just say anything you like and have it be protected. Just like you shouldn't be able to say that Obama is a Muslim, and that that is your opinion (though sadly people actually do that).

Ahhh, okay.

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I'm saying that I personally would not feel good about trying to lay out an opinion that was as obviously narrow as your own seems to be. You cant argue that that is your opinion is just as valid as anyones when it is so obviously undernourished and expect anyone to take you seriously.

As narrow as it seems, all I can do is assume my own opinion based on what few speeches I have heard the two candidates do. I don't ultimately know which candidate will be better, but I will support whichever one to the fullest. I might complain a lot, but I love my country, and the freedom we are privilaged to have.

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Nope. You're right on the money.

Shug on 6/10/2008 at 05:13

Quote Posted by kodan50

BEAR has the right idea at heart but he's overcomplicating the issue. An opinion, obviously, is just a personal view. That's all well and good, it's likely you have several of these across a range of different subjects including religion, politics and more!

The kicker is, once you start airing your opinions publically it's quite reasonable for other people to query your method or sources for holding onto that particular idea. And even though the concept of an opinion exists because the cold facts of a situation may be difficult or even impossible to discern, it's still readily obvious when an opinion is very poorly informed or even mostly untenable, such as your earlier comments on Obama.

It's possible to have respect for an opinion even while disagreeing with it. Simply having 'an opinion' doesn't mean a thing.

crunchy on 7/10/2008 at 05:02

Quote Posted by Starrfall

crunchy isn't a middle class american he lives in a cave in the australian outback with an army of spider ninjas

Don't laugh. There are actual people that do live in the cave. Don't know about the spiders though.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy)

CaptSyn on 8/10/2008 at 03:07

I won't be voting for either candidate, as the law doesn't allow it. However, if I could vote, it wouldn't be for either candidate.

I would write-in Ron Paul. Sure he's a nut, but he's the best of the bunch.

Obama can't keep his lies straight, and his past is shaky at best, what with his ties to known terrorists and radical muslims.

McCain is a warmonger, plain and simple. He has no intention of bringing the troops home and ending this war Bush had no business starting in the first place. I don't give a damn if McCain is a POW, he sold out the moment he said he wouldn't end the war immediately. I wouldn't put it past this guy to take us back into Vietnam for a little personal payback.

If it has to be one of those two candidates, then let's do it this way:

Thunderdome! 2 men enter, one man leaves.

And no, I'm not kidding.