2008 TTLG Mock presidential election. Poll included - by io organic industrialism
jay pettitt on 15/10/2008 at 12:13
Quote Posted by CaptSyn
In fact, he has fought against it. Why? Because he is hiding the truth.
Oh dear.
Tell you what, let's have a wager. If this or any other legitimate formal inquiry (by which I mean state administered rather than something on telly or from blogland) concludes that Obama is unqualified to run for president of the US I'll send you $50. If on the other hand this case is dismissed or fails to find in favour of the plaintive's position, that Obama
is unqualified to run for president, you send me $50. How does that sound...?
BEAR on 15/10/2008 at 14:19
Quote Posted by CaptSyn
If you're so damned smart, then you tell me what Obama is hiding and why he is stalling.
Hmm, I wonder, I wonder. It's almost as if he's got something going on right now, something that might be taking up a good bit of his time.....what ever could that be.
Well, whatever it is, it must be important enough to blow off legitimizing a completely manufactured scandal!
Bad as that was, I lol'd pretty hard when I saw it.
Starrfall on 15/10/2008 at 14:48
Sorry, I think I've missed a step somewhere - is CaptSyn pretending that Obama's birth certificate isn't available, or that despite it's availability it's obviously fake, or that Obama has somehow managed to live a normal life here for 40-something years and go to college and get a passport and receive tax returns and all that good government-sponsored stuff without being a citizen or having a green card?
I mean these dudes aren't even always consistent as to whether they're questioning his citizenship or his "natural born" status sooo
(Also a motion to dismiss is not a "stalling tactic" you ninnies)
edit: lol Berg's complaint cites wikipedia
It also contains a few statements (about expatriation, for example) that appear to be blatantly false (which probably explains the motion to dismiss)
BEAR on 15/10/2008 at 15:14
I think they are saying that the birth certificate is faked. I believe they site a recognized professional by the moniker "techdude" who definitively proved it, though apparently he's not going to be an expert witness.
Starrfall on 15/10/2008 at 15:40
Let's try to guess why! Here's some background info to make speculation more fun:
If they offer techdude as an expert, they automatically have to give Obama's team ALL of the data, opinions, and findings of the expert, and Obama's team can depose him.
If they don't offer him as an expert but instead just use him as a "consultant", then Obama's team only gets that information if they can make a showing of exceptional circumstances.
If they offer him only as a witness he can be deposed normally, but on the stand he would be very limited in his ability to offer opinions or make inferences, and he can't offer opinions or make inferences at all if they are based on the kind of scientific, technical, or specialized knowledge that you use experts for.
jay pettitt on 15/10/2008 at 15:49
There's a whole bucket load of allegations. That Obama was born in Kenya rather than the US, his mother allegedly registering the birth on return to Hawaii. That his birth certificate is fake (as proven by independent 'experts' from the internets) and was in fact originally his sister's. That circulating a forged birth certificate shows his campaign and fund raising activities to be premeditated, deliberate fraud. That Obama became a citizen of Indonesia and in doing so forfeited his US citizenship. That Obama never regained US citizen status on return from Indonesia. That Obama retains dual US/Indonesian citizenship which disqualifies him from running as president. And no doubt a bunch of other bunkum.
metal dawn on 15/10/2008 at 16:51
Did you know EMP weaponry was used to artificially create the 2004 tsunami?
I read it on the internet so it must be true.
jay pettitt on 15/10/2008 at 16:52
Why do we not hear about this in the mainstream media!?!? I think we know why, right...
CaptSyn on 15/10/2008 at 17:27
Quote Posted by Starrfall
I mean these dudes aren't even always consistent as to whether they're questioning his citizenship or his "natural born" status sooo
I don't know what other "dudes" you are referring to, but I am consistent.
Obama's citizenship isn't the issue, despite what some people seem to think. Whether or not Obama is a natural born citizen is the issue.
You can't be President if you weren't born on sovereign American soil, which includes American military installations and possibly certain occupied zones, though I'm sure there are some exceptions.
If Obama is indeed a natural born US citizen, then there's no reason to stall the issue. All he has to do is produce a birth certificate that can be backed up by a hospital's records and that would stop the issue for good. He has refused to do this.
Obama is not so busy that he can't have his wife dig it out of their records and send a copy to him via email, or send a hardcopy to the judge presiding over the lawsuit.
And for those of you who keep mentioning conspiracies, 9/11 and jews, etc: Get your heads out of your asses and grow up. I never mentioned nor implied such things.
jay pettitt on 15/10/2008 at 17:43
So, how about that wager then...?
