Raven on 7/6/2006 at 09:59
Yeah but the reason 6/6/6 could be important is that god is big on the whole communicating with dumb ass humans and so sets things up so they are easy for us to "understand" on many levels... from the simple child (i.e George Bush - hey it maybe simple but we can still get it wrong) to say JP II...
Seven day creation? hardly likely, but it is a simple story told thousands of years ago about how we got here... also things like the Eucharist can take child like belief to accept... jesus through the church tells us that that a piece of bread "This is my Body" and so we believe... pretty simplistic. If the smack down really was to be laid down on us, it is very possible it would be in a simplistic nature relating to human experience... we would be all lolling and gwaffing away that god couldn't even get the date right WHILE WE BURNED IN HELL for disregarding the bible’s call for faith... but as stated not going to happen (and didn't yeah!).. oh yeah I just remember the bit about wisdom in the section relating to 666.. that might undermine my pretty much in consequential argument… ach well never mind.
Now this nonsense is over can we turn this thread into a discussion about if it has infact BEEN about 2000 years since Christ’s birth.
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http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970325g.html) -astrophysic’s linking bible accounts to star charts (not the link I was after… searching….)
damn I can’t even find the magazine I read this in.. and now I think about it I may have actually found something about it on the web too.
Anyway Physics World this months issue (I think, I hope other wise I wouldn’t even bother posting) has a nice we piece about how our date system could be adding on 900 year that havn’t actually existed – historical accounts and data is so sparse and shakey anyway that much of what was happening in history could have been happening at the same time condensing much of our history, for instance the dark ages could have actually been a very short period in history. This stems from trying to link recorded astronomical accounts up with calculated star charts for instance the accepted date of the crucifixion has an eclipse of about 30 seconds while the bible states that the sky was blacked out for much longer – there are 3 possible dates that match the biblical account better. The author acknowledge that people tend to laugh when you mention anything in the bible and so he has done this for other accounts and dates to – but alas as I have said I lost the article. Anyway I thought it sounded a perfectly reasonable theory and if it panned out (which I am sure it won’t can you imaging the upset it would cause to find we were 900 years out) maybe we would have to stop patting ourself on the back for our rate of current technological advancement, or at least credit that our ancestors were keeping the pace and not just languishing in the dark ages for years on end.
Haegan on 7/6/2006 at 10:40
Okay, I know enough about theology to explain the apple and the tree.
The tree was the tree of knowledge. Anyone who ate the fruit would have knowledge of good and evil ie, morality. Adam + Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil, so if they did something wrong, it would not count as a sin, so it would not be a wrongdoing. HOWEVER God had to give them a choice whether they wanted the knowledge, (and no longer be sinless, or live forever in ignorant bliss.
Jenesis on 7/6/2006 at 10:53
I don't think that's quite it. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they were ceasing to trust God - God had said 'don't eat that, you'll die', but they decided that God did not have their best interests at heart, and that they were going to do things their own way. They wanted to decide for themselves what was best, what was acceptable and what wasn't, and they rejected God - which is what sin is, at its core.
It's not about 'tests' or anything like that, it's about trust.
descenterace on 7/6/2006 at 11:26
It's the difference between self-determination and mindless obedience.
The Dark Materials trilogy was an interesting take on the subject.
Haegan on 7/6/2006 at 15:16
Quote Posted by Jenesis
I don't think that's quite it. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they were ceasing to trust God - God had said 'don't eat that, you'll die', but they decided that God did not have their best interests at heart, and that they were going to do things their own way. They wanted to decide for themselves what was best, what was acceptable and what wasn't, and they rejected God - which is what sin is, at its core.
It's not about 'tests' or anything like that, it's about trust.
Precisely,
However I have two points;
1. I never mentioned 'tests'.
2. What I meant was prety much exactly what you just said, just in different words. (I ramble)
p.s. THE DARK MATERIALS TRILOGY IS EXCELLENT!!! I LOVE IT, YOU HAVE GOOD TASTE DESCENTERACE!!!
NeoPendragon on 7/6/2006 at 15:43
I THINK I'LL WORRY ABOUT STUPID RANDOM NUMBERS INSTED OF RELAXING TODAY
SD on 7/6/2006 at 18:26
Quote Posted by Jenesis
It's not about 'tests' or anything like that, it's about trust.
Horseshit.
You need to look at the story in context. The scriptures were developed to keep people faithful and contributing money to the coffers. The moral of the story of Adam and Eve is: don't question authority and don't try to raise yourself above your "betters" by acquiring knowledge.
Obedient, dumb people are easier to control.
Jenesis on 7/6/2006 at 18:39
Eh, sorry, Haegan, others mentioned tests, and I thought your 'God had to give them a choice' was a similar sentiment. I think it was your phrasing of that that struck me as being a bit off in some way. To me, that way of putting it makes it sound as though God had backed himself into a corner and was forced into some sort of unfortunate compromise. Which probably isn't what you meant, but that was how it sounded.
descenterace - you make it sound so negative! What makes the obedience mindless? (After all, if you haven't decided that God seems to talk sense, why would you be listening to him in the first place?)
Haegan on 7/6/2006 at 18:41
I feel obliged to agree with Jenesis.
However:
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Obedient, dumb people are easier to control.
is also very true. oh dear. I'm confused...
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Convict on 7/6/2006 at 19:14
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Horseshit.
You need to look at the story in context. The scriptures were developed to keep people faithful and contributing money to the coffers. The moral of the story of Adam and Eve is: don't question authority and don't try to raise yourself above your "betters" by acquiring knowledge.
Obedient, dumb people are easier to control.
The people who were contributing money to "coffers" would have been the Jews of old - I think this context is bs though. And this moral of the story you come up with is just something you believe not the context of the OT passages.
