If you dont know who Grundbegriff and jtr7 are by now, Im not even sure how to explain it to you. Both of these guys are crazy fanatic Thief fans, who kept amazing and detailed records, which is probably my favorite thing, since I have called upon them both over the years to answer questions/fill in blanks. Many of the beloved FM authors called upon jtr over the years for help with proper canon and the like. Grundbe was obviously the leader of Clan Laurencio Hall. :D :D Again, if you have never seen *any* of his work, Im not sure how to guide you to it, other than go back and study the archives?? I mean, was there anything that Grundy couldnt do?! jtr7, I understand is a bit more elusive. But, trust me, the work is there! Both of these guys provided tons of creative ideas on gaming ethics and exhaustive attention to detail. An exhaustive attention to detail that obviously drove them both to leave TTLG! Time to wrap up the Grund Bday thread. lol Lots of interesting appearances itt...